Awesome dagger, but

[Lyrick]

f - the +11, +10 dagger of Agony (flame, rF+, Stlth++)

But I'm following Dith! Damnit.

Should I jump ship?

[daggaz]

Yes, no, maybe? Post a character dump if you want advice. For all we know, you are an OgBe...

That said, its a great stabbers weapon. If you arent geared to stab, switching could be prohibitively costly.. and then there is the wrath.

[Amnesiac]

You could probably stab a monster with it once in a while, if you really want. I'm sure Dith will understand. To be serious, if you just use it rarely it will either just reduce your piety a bit or you will be under penance that will be lifted quickly if you kill some monsters.

[cerebovssquire]

f - the +11, +10 dagger of Agony (flame, rF+, Stlth++)

But I'm following Dith! Damnit.

Should I jump ship?

No. You'll probably get a better short blade in the course of the game anyway (e.g. an electrocution dagger).

[Sandman25]

This weapon is not that great (unless you need rF+ while retreating from a Fire Drake).

[Lyrick]

I thought the stealth++ was pretty good. Then again I'm already uncannily stealthy.

I swear I'll start training dodging soon

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2682-g5763165 (console) character file.

Karla the Bewitcher (Vampire Enchanter)            Turns: 22579, Time: 01:06:54

HP  78/78 (79)   AC 13     Str  7      XL: 13   Next: 58%
MP  19/19        EV 16     Int 18      God: Dithmenos [******]
Gold 1205        SH  0     Dex 17      Spells:  4 memorised,  1 level left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     (no weapon)
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     s - +2 robe {rF+}
rNeg   + + +     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rCorr    .     p - +0 helmet
rElec  .         rRot     +     w - +1 dwarf cloak
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     v - +1 pair of elf gloves
rMut   .         Warding  .     U - +0 pair of boots
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     L - amulet of faith
MR     +....                    e - +3 ring of evasion
                                m - +3 ring of protection

@: non-regenerating, very slightly contaminated, wreathed by umbra, somewhat
resistant to hostile enchantments, uncannily stealthy
A: bottle blood, fangs 3, see invisible, unbreathing
a: Bat Form, Bottle Blood, Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You worship Dithmenos.
Dithmenos is exalted by your worship.
You are bloodless.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have also visited: Volcano.

You have collected 1205 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +3,+4 orcish dagger (quivered)
 f - the +11,+10 dagger of Agony {flame, rF+ Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
   
   Dithmenos disapproves of the use of such an item.   << come on dawg just this one run pls
 K - a +1 orcish blowgun
Missiles
 b - 2 silver darts
 E - 28 poisoned needles
 Q - 2 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 p - a +0 helmet (worn)
 s - a +2 robe of fire resistance (worn)
 v - a +1 pair of elven gloves (worn)
 w - a +1 dwarven cloak (worn)
 U - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of lightning (6)
 i - a wand of paralysis (13)
 l - a wand of digging (6)
 n - a silver wand
 I - a fluorescent wand
 J - a wooden wand
 M - a blackened brass wand
 O - a wand of lightning
 T - a wand of paralysis
 V - a wand of polymorph (9)
 Y - a wand of magic darts (6)
Scrolls
 k - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 q - 9 scrolls of identify
 x - 2 scrolls of fear
 R - a scroll of teleportation
 W - 3 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 e - a +3 ring of evasion (right hand)
 m - a +3 ring of protection (left hand)
 u - an uncursed ring of flight
 G - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 L - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 X - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
Potions
 h - 7 potions of curing
 j - a potion of brilliance
 z - a potion of resistance
 C - a potion of speed
 D - a potion of heal wounds
 S - 6 potions of agility
Books
 r - a book of the Sky   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Flight                             Charms/Air                   3
   Airstrike                          Air                          4
   Silence                            Hexes/Air                    5
   Deflect Missiles                   Charms/Air                   6
   Conjure Ball Lightning             Conjuration/Air              6
   Tornado                            Air                          9


   Skills:
 - Level 13.0 Short Blades
 - Level 0.7 Throwing
 - Level 2.1 Dodging
 - Level 18.0 Stealth
 - Level 2.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 20.9 Hexes


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Invisibility          Hex            ######..     1%          6    #######
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #####.       1%          2    ##.....
c - Confuse               Hex            ######..     0%          3    ####...
d - Enslavement           Hex            ######..     1%          4    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/16)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (0/4) D:11
   Lair (7/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:6        Snake (0/5) Lair:5
 Slime: Lair:6-8   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:5 /

Annotations:
D:3 exclusion: orc priest, Natasha, Sigmund
D:9 exclusion: 3 yaks
Lair:2 Fannar, Gastronok


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You do not heal naturally.
You can bottle blood from corpses.
You have razor-sharp teeth.*
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You can survive without breathing.*



[Mattchew]

I wouldn't--for melee, you can probably get a heavier short blade that will be at least as good. And for stabbing you don't need all those pluses.

Pretty impressive anyway.

[Amnesiac]

You could probably stab some tough unique with this dagger. Like tiamat What Are you planning to do with all those hexes?.. I'm fine with the idea of imbalanced characters, because I do that myself, but at least train 6-9 fighting and dodging and that would be cheaper than learning a level of hexes.

[Sandman25]

You could probably stab some tough unique with this dagger. Like tiamat What Are you planning to do with all those hexes?.. I'm fine with the idea of imbalanced characters, because I do that myself, but at least train 6-9 fighting and dodging and that would be cheaper than learning a level of hexes.

Crawl really needs to show some numbers. I am sure no one would keep training Hexes at skill level 20+, if they could see something like "You are going to spend 20.000 skill points to increase spell power for Confusion by 1%. You can get +40 HP or +10 EV or +8 AC for the same skill points. Continue training Hexes? (y/N).

PS. Numbers are not accurate, just to show the idea.

[Amnesiac]

Is there some spreadsheet with exp needed for every level of skills with respective aptitudes?

[Lyrick]

I died To Norris.

I actually managed to sneak up to him for a stab!

BUT HE SURVIVED! HE WAS *ALMOST* DEAD!

Then I remembered I was wielding a +4 orcish dagger, and even +1000% damage on a +4 doesn't do 150 HPs all da time.

Farewell, Karla

Edit: I have 21 hexes cause I left it on for invisibility, and forgot to switch. 7 or so wasted levels i guess

[Sandman25]

Then I remembered I was wielding a +4 orcish dagger, and even +1000% damage on a +4 doesn't do 150 HPs all da time.

This is not how stabbing works. See http://crawl.develz.org/info/inline.php?q=stabbing for details

[Sprucery]

Is there some spreadsheet with exp needed for every level of skills with respective aptitudes?

I've been using this (first column: skill level to reach, first row: aptitude, sorry about the formatting):

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   +5   +4   +3   +2   +1   0   -1   -2   -3   -4   -5
1   21   25   30   35   42   50   60   70   85   100   119
2   42   50   60   71   84   100   119   141   169   200   238
3   63   75   89   106   126   150   179   211   254   300   357
4   84   100   119   142   168   200   238   282   339   400   476
5   105   125   149   177   210   250   298   352   424   500   595
6   126   150   179   213   252   300   357   423   508   600   714
7   147   175   208   248   294   350   417   493   593   700   833
8   168   200   238   284   336   400   476   563   678   800   952
9   189   225   268   319   378   450   536   634   763   900   1071
10   231   275   327   390   462   550   655   775   932   1100   1310
11   273   325   387   461   546   650   774   915   1102   1300   1548
12   315   375   446   532   630   750   893   1056   1271   1500   1786
13   357   425   506   603   714   850   1012   1197   1441   1700   2024
14   399   475   565   674   798   950   1131   1338   1610   1900   2262
15   441   525   625   745   882   1050   1250   1479   1780   2100   2500
16   483   575   685   816   966   1150   1369   1620   1949   2300   2738
17   525   625   744   887   1050   1250   1488   1761   2119   2500   2976
18   567   675   804   957   1134   1350   1607   1901   2288   2700   3214
19   630   750   893   1064   1261   1500   1786   2113   2542   3000   3571
20   693   825   982   1170   1387   1650   1964   2324   2797   3300   3929
21   756   900   1071   1277   1513   1800   2143   2535   3051   3600   4286
22   819   975   1161   1383   1639   1950   2321   2746   3305   3900   4643
23   882   1050   1250   1489   1765   2100   2500   2958   3559   4200   5000
24   945   1125   1339   1596   1891   2250   2679   3169   3814   4500   5357
25   1008   1200   1429   1702   2017   2400   2857   3380   4068   4800   5714
26   1071   1275   1518   1809   2143   2550   3036   3592   4322   5100   6071
27   1155   1375   1637   1950   2311   2750   3274   3873   4661   5500   6548


This was calculated from the Wiki's skill page, so I hope the values are correct. However, this does not reflect the actual experience points needed, because

These amounts are also themselves significantly increased as your character gains more and more skill experience. At higher levels, the amount of actual experience required to produce the same increase in skill levels reaches as high as 265 times the amount of experience a character with no skill experience would require.

So you can only use it to compare the relative required amounts between skills.