questions about stabbers

[Hirsch I]

I have played a lot of melee, some casters, but almost no stabbers so far.
some days ago I tried an VpEn. it is awesome!
the first time I one-hitted Sigmund on D2, I knew this was the combo for me.
but I have little experience with it.
thing is,I dont know what to do when the Inv seeing, Hexproof, hard hitting jerks start appearing. I did not want to go casting for damage, but it seems the only way.
also, surviving the pos temple, pre lair is pretty hard. (I dont know if it is a Trunk thing, but I found centaur warriors in D6. no chance of survival.)
ashenzari is my god of choice, because, knowing everything is awesome, but advice is welcome here too.

if you guys can help, it would be nice.

[rchandra]

What jerks did you have in mind? You can stealthstab, passwallstab, avoid them or melee them. You really don't need conjurations. With Ashenzari I might pick up a good summon or two.

[Sandman25]

IMHO melee is the best option for VpEn. Even Elf 3 becomes very easy with Silence, Invisibility and rN+++.

[dck]

Also if dazzle spawned somewhere get it because dazzle solves all of your problems, or all of the ones that matter.

[Hirsch I]

I was thinking about demonic jerks, Titans, shadow dragons and other late game assholes. (I found a vault, or what I hope is a vault, full of these guys. on d16. there was a quicksilver drag too, I tought it was a shapeshifter. it was not.)

also, I dont understand MR. can I Hibernate a titan at max power? the bots are not very useful: I have no idea if 150 MR is a lot or not.
can I go unnoticed near high level bad guys, with nothing but stealth?
those damn hidden numbers, I never know what I can do or not.

[Sandman25]

No, you can't hibernate Titan. http://crawl.chaosforge.org/MR, http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Titan

Yes, you can be unnoticed by bad guys with nothing but stealth but it requires luck. There is a small chance you will be noticed by a rat when you are invisible, bloodless Vp with 27 Stealth and 50 Dex.

Avoid Titans/etc on D16 unless every monster can be stabbed with Passwall (or you are Hasted and can survive a couple of attacks).

[Hirsch I]

thanks, guys.
I've got a promising VpEn going on right now, think ill post it in CIP.
invstabbing is fun.

[variouselite]

dont forget about confuse/paralyze/etc stabs, confuse works on all the early-mid game stuff that EH doesnt and mass X spells have higher power than the single target versions so try them if the ST versions arnt sticking. enchanters have to eventually branch out into other spell schools to be endgame effective but you can do it a lot of different ways based off of the books you find.