CSDC S3 Week 4 - GhWr

[WalkerBoh]

Please use this thread for discussion of all things pertaining to Week 4 of Crawl Sudden Death Challenges Season 3.

Week 4: GhWr (Ghoul Warper)

Tier I Bonus: Collect the golden rune.
Tier II Bonus: Collect 5+ runes before entering Depths.

Week 4 Gods: Sif Muna, Ashenzari, Cheibriados, Nemelex Xobeh

*Note: For the purpose of bonuses, "branch" means "multi-level branch, not including the main Dungeon".
Unless otherwise specified, you do not need to win the game to get points for the bonus challenges.

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CSDC Season 3 Results and Standings

For a list of all currently running Week 4 games, go to ##crawl or ##csdc and type "!games csdc wk4".
To view a player's current score for Week 4, go to ##csdc and type "#points <playername>" (minus the <>).

[Sandman25]

Damn, it looks like it's impossible to enter Zot before XL 21 or win without entering Lair because of that tier 2 bonus.

[WalkerBoh]

Luckily both of those things are worth more than the Tier II bonus.

[Sandman25]

Luckily both of those things are worth more than the Tier II bonus.

Yes, but my (somewhat hidden) point was that it could be useful to know all the combos/tiers in advance. I mean now it's obvious that MfAs should go for Zot before XL 21 and win below 50k turns (because all other combos played so far were much worse for that either because of species or tier bonuses), CeFi should go for no Lair bonus (that was pretty obvious to everyone, right) and GhWr should go for 15 runes. So I feel somewhat bad for getting 15 runes with MfAs and now I am not sure if I should ignore no Lair bonus this round because one of the remaining rounds will allow to get it without giving up tier 2 bonus.

[cribozai]

For me it seems like winning the character itself is a challenge enough. Time to get crawling!

[Tedronai]

For me it seems like winning the character itself is a challenge enough. Time to get crawling!

Why? It's a Ghoul :D

[Sandman25]

Crawl was kind to pay back for previous two characters who had distortion. Found 2 wands of heal wounds, wand of teleportation, wand of hasting and acquirement before Lair
Having AC 25, EV 11 I still decided to enter Lair, without knowing future combos I have no idea if it was a mistake. Found another acquirement on Lair 1, now I am UC fighter with buckler. Yes, I know it sounds stupid but rElec and +6 slaying worth that 0.05 delay IMHO (I am with Ashenzari so after killing several Sheeps I got Shields to 5+).

Edit. 3rd acquirement on Lair 4.

[stickyfingers]

Losing the offhand punch is much worse than that half aut, though 6 slay should offset that.

[Sandman25]

Losing the offhand punch is much worse than that half aut, though 6 slay should offset that.

It depends on UC skill, the buckler is great early game but is bad late game. I used Ash to forget Shields skill before Tomb.

Fighting 24, Shields 5.
Buckler and +5 slaying:

  Code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-1761-g9575c7c
Attack: Ghoul Warper vs. greater mummy (4000 rounds) (2014/11/02/ 9:42:49)
Ghoul Warper: XL 1   Str 19   Int 8   Dex 16
Unarmed, Skill: Unarmed Combat
greater mummy: HD 15   AC 10   EV 6

Unarmed Co | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam
         0 |      2.3 |     14 |      83% |   1.9 |   105  |  0.95 |      1.8
         1 |      2.8 |     17 |      83% |   2.4 |   103  |  0.97 |      2.3
         2 |      3.7 |     19 |      84% |   3.1 |   101  |  0.99 |      3.1
         3 |      4.3 |     21 |      84% |   3.6 |    99  |  1.01 |      3.6
         4 |      5.0 |     22 |      86% |   4.3 |    98  |  1.02 |      4.3
         5 |      5.8 |     25 |      84% |   4.9 |    96  |  1.05 |      5.1
         6 |      6.5 |     27 |      84% |   5.5 |    94  |  1.07 |      5.8
         7 |      7.2 |     29 |      84% |   6.1 |    92  |  1.09 |      6.6
         8 |      8.0 |     31 |      84% |   6.8 |    90  |  1.11 |      7.5
         9 |      8.7 |     31 |      86% |   7.5 |    88  |  1.13 |      8.5
        10 |      9.4 |     36 |      85% |   8.0 |    87  |  1.16 |      9.3
        11 |     10.5 |     36 |      85% |   9.0 |    85  |  1.18 |     10.6
        12 |     10.8 |     39 |      85% |   9.3 |    83  |  1.21 |     11.2
        13 |     11.6 |     41 |      85% |   9.9 |    81  |  1.24 |     12.2
        14 |     12.2 |     42 |      85% |  10.4 |    79  |  1.26 |     13.2
        15 |     13.5 |     47 |      85% |  11.5 |    77  |  1.30 |     15.0
        16 |     14.1 |     52 |      85% |  12.0 |    75  |  1.32 |     16.0
        17 |     14.8 |     50 |      86% |  12.8 |    74  |  1.36 |     17.3
        18 |     16.0 |     57 |      86% |  14.0 |    72  |  1.39 |     19.4
        19 |     16.5 |     54 |      86% |  14.3 |    70  |  1.43 |     20.4
        20 |     17.2 |     57 |      86% |  14.9 |    68  |  1.47 |     21.9
        21 |     18.2 |     59 |      85% |  15.6 |    66  |  1.51 |     23.7
        22 |     18.8 |     61 |      86% |  16.3 |    64  |  1.56 |     25.5
        23 |     20.0 |     67 |      86% |  17.3 |    62  |  1.60 |     28.0
        24 |     20.9 |     69 |      87% |  18.3 |    61  |  1.65 |     30.0
        25 |     21.4 |     69 |      87% |  18.7 |    59  |  1.70 |     31.7
        26 |     22.3 |     74 |      87% |  19.5 |    57  |  1.76 |     34.1
        27 |     23.2 |     70 |      86% |  20.1 |    55  |  1.82 |     36.6
-----------------------------------


No buckler, no slaying.

  Code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-1761-g9575c7c
Attack: Ghoul Warper vs. greater mummy (4000 rounds) (2014/11/02/ 9:43:15)
Ghoul Warper: XL 1   Str 19   Int 8   Dex 16
Unarmed, Skill: Unarmed Combat
greater mummy: HD 15   AC 10   EV 6

Unarmed Co | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam
         0 |      1.0 |     10 |      81% |   0.8 |   100  |  1.00 |      0.8
         1 |      1.4 |     12 |      82% |   1.1 |    98  |  1.02 |      1.2
         2 |      2.0 |     17 |      81% |   1.7 |    96  |  1.04 |      1.7
         3 |      2.5 |     24 |      82% |   2.1 |    94  |  1.06 |      2.2
         4 |      3.2 |     19 |      82% |   2.7 |    92  |  1.08 |      2.9
         5 |      4.1 |     26 |      83% |   3.4 |    91  |  1.10 |      3.8
         6 |      4.6 |     29 |      83% |   3.8 |    89  |  1.12 |      4.3
         7 |      5.6 |     33 |      83% |   4.7 |    87  |  1.15 |      5.4
         8 |      6.5 |     36 |      84% |   5.5 |    85  |  1.17 |      6.4
         9 |      7.1 |     37 |      83% |   5.9 |    83  |  1.20 |      7.2
        10 |      7.6 |     41 |      83% |   6.3 |    81  |  1.23 |      7.8
        11 |      8.5 |     43 |      84% |   7.1 |    80  |  1.26 |      8.9
        12 |      9.9 |     52 |      84% |   8.3 |    78  |  1.29 |     10.6
        13 |     10.6 |     48 |      83% |   8.9 |    76  |  1.32 |     11.7
        14 |     11.0 |     52 |      82% |   9.1 |    74  |  1.35 |     12.3
        15 |     12.9 |     52 |      83% |  10.7 |    72  |  1.39 |     14.8
        16 |     13.4 |     50 |      84% |  11.4 |    70  |  1.42 |     16.2
        17 |     14.3 |     63 |      86% |  12.3 |    69  |  1.46 |     17.8
        18 |     15.0 |     61 |      84% |  12.7 |    67  |  1.50 |     18.9
        19 |     16.2 |     64 |      84% |  13.7 |    65  |  1.54 |     21.1
        20 |     17.1 |     62 |      83% |  14.4 |    63  |  1.59 |     22.8
        21 |     18.1 |     72 |      84% |  15.4 |    61  |  1.63 |     25.2
        22 |     19.1 |     76 |      85% |  16.2 |    59  |  1.69 |     27.5
        23 |     20.2 |     74 |      84% |  17.0 |    57  |  1.74 |     29.9
        24 |     20.2 |     82 |      84% |  17.2 |    56  |  1.80 |     30.6
        25 |     21.3 |     81 |      84% |  18.1 |    54  |  1.86 |     33.5
        26 |     22.6 |     76 |      84% |  19.2 |    52  |  1.93 |     36.9
        27 |     23.9 |     95 |      86% |  20.5 |    50  |  2.00 |     41.1


Or to make it more clear:

Buckler, slaying:

  Code:

Unarmed Co | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam
         0 |      2.3 |     14 |      83% |   1.9 |   105  |  0.95 |      1.8
        27 |     23.2 |     70 |      86% |  20.1 |    55  |  1.82 |     36.6


Nothing:

  Code:

         0 |      1.0 |     10 |      81% |   0.8 |   100  |  1.00 |      0.8
        27 |     23.9 |     95 |      86% |  20.5 |    50  |  2.00 |     41.1

[and into]

The +5 slaying buckler only falls behind "no buckler" around UC level 20.

By the time it makes sense to have 20 skill in UC, you are far enough in the game that the amount of experience that it took to get 5 skill in shields does not matter at all and thus should have zero impact on your decision.

So it makes sense to use that +5 slaying buckler for nearly all of the game, if not the entirety of it.

[XuaXua]

I tried and failed twice this weekend, then I checked the board and apparently I'd either been playing 0.15 or I was missed.

[HilariousDeathArtist]

I like the newest version in trunk: t - +135 ring of protection

  Code:

HilariousDeathArtist the Anointer (Ghoul Warper)   Turns: 36062, Time: 01:56:22

Health: 138/138    AC: 173   Str: 18    XL:     15   Next: 91%
Magic:  22/22      EV:  6    Int:  8    God:    Ashenzari [******]
Gold:   851        SH:  0    Dex: 12    Spells: 4 memorised, 9 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  + . .     Clarity  +     B - +9 plate armour of Resilience {SInv}
rNeg   + + +     SustAb   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     a - +2 helmet (curse)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     D - +2 cloak (curse)
rCorr  .         Warding  .     J - +1 pair of gloves (curse)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     E - +2 pair of boots {Fly} (curse)
MR     ++...                    F - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ..........               t - +135 ring of protection
                                x - ring of Govedub {rElec rF++ MR+}


I really want to play around with this, but it's clearly a bug that needs fixing, so I won't use it.

[xentronium]

hehe +41 ring of dexterity is the first ring I tried on. I'll wait to continue this character until the bug gets fixed.

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-1815-gfde0ed1 (webtiles) character file.

Xen the Ruffian (Ghoul Warper)                       Turns: 415, Time: 00:02:25

HP:   21/22 (24)    AC:  4    Str: 14    XL:     2   Next: 0%
MP:   3/3           EV: 13    Int:  8    God:   
Gold: 21            SH:  0    Dex: 49    Spells: 1 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .       - Unarmed
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     f - +1 leather armour {rF+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAb   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     (no helmet)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (no cloak)
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (no boots)
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  +++.......               (no ring)
                                b - +41 ring of dexterity

@: rotting, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, poison resistance, slow healing 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: no special abilities


You are on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 1 of its levels.

You have collected 21 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Missiles
 a - 16 stones
 e - 5 tomahawks of dispersal (quivered)
Armour
 f - a +1 leather armour of fire resistance (worn)
Jewellery
 b - a +41 ring of dexterity (left claw)
Scrolls
 d - a scroll of blinking
Books
 c - a book of Spatial Translocations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                3
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4


   Skills:
 - Level 2.1 Fighting
 - Level 0.8 Throwing
 - Level 0.8 Armour
 - Level 1.7 Dodging
 + Level 2.9 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 2.6 Translocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   14%         1    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/15)           

Altars:


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You heal slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

The kobold barely misses you.
You barely miss the kobold. The kobold hits you but does no damage.
You scratch the kobold.
The kobold begins to bleed from its wounds!
The kobold is moderately wounded.
The kobold hits you with a short sword.
You scratch the kobold.
The kobold is almost dead.
The kobold hits you but does no damage.
You scratch the kobold.
You kill the kobold!
You have reached level 2!
You see here a short sword.
b - a blackened iron ring
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel agile.
b - a +41 ring of dexterity (left claw)
Unknown command.
Save game and exit?
Okay, then.

               #######..
  ####  ########.........
   ... .........@...#
   #.#  #######..####
####.#######....##
.............####
####.#########
   #.#
   #)#
####.##
......#######


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A giant cockroach (D:1)
  A hobgoblin (D:1)
  2 kobolds (D:1)
  A bat (D:1)
  A rat (D:1)
6 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Xen, the Ghoul Warper, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 17/17 MP: 2/2
   393 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/22 MP: 3/3


Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           ||    31
  Eat: Chunk             ||     1


[duvessa]

it got fixed =(

[Sphara]

Not fixed yet (on CSZO at least).

You remove your ring of stealth. Magic restored.
You feel agile.
G - a +11 ring of dexterity (left hand)

[Magipi]

It is interesting that everybody seems to wear gloves, even with UC. So +3 AC is better than Claws 1?

[Sandman25]

It is interesting that everybody seems to wear gloves, even with UC. So +3 AC is better than Claws 1?

Early game Claws 1 really helps, later in the game you overkill any way (but still train more UC for faster attack).

[all before]

Yeah not fixed yet on CSZO. I got the super-shaolin ring of +45 EV.

[mopl]

It is interesting that everybody seems to wear gloves, even with UC. So +3 AC is better than Claws 1?

Early game Claws 1 really helps, later in the game you overkill any way (but still train more UC for faster attack).

The gloves vs no gloves on Gh was discussed here.

[xentronium]

Now it's fixed; my +41 dex ring morphed into merely +6 dex ring.

[nilsbloodaxe]

Done with all but the god point! 15 runes too! http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/NilsBloodax ... 223710.txt

[McGeekster]

Well, I once again met an orc priest who didn't particularly care for my face. I actually got somewhere though, so I'm happy about that, save being blasted with a decent early character. Blargh. Good luck to those who haven't finished yet.

[mopl]

The easiest the combo, the worst I am !! Splatted in main dungeon, surrounded after leaving an ossuary

[Magipi]

15 runes!

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Magip ... 095224.txt

This is my first all-runer with unarmed, and also with Okawaru. Oka was very annoying for the whole game, he kept excommunicating me for various incidents. My favourite: I killed some new whatnot in the Abyss, it exploded upon death, the explosion hit my skeleton, and Oka grounded me. The point: dont use animate skeleton with Oka, or rather, don't use Oka.

The hardest branch was the Abyss, seriously. Various things kept draining my stats, and I was low of rest.ab. potions. The Abyss is truly horrible, I can't imagine how people keep recommending it as a possible 3rd rune.

Edit: not excommunicated, of course, only put under penance.

[Sandman25]

Yes, Abyss is really bad for undead who have no ring of sustain abilities/rMut.

[Sandman25]

Wow, DrKe won with 5 runes and 40k turns, I will never play like that.

[magicpoints]

I faceplanted into a lab minotaur with a great sword of holy wrath. Full HP -> dead in 2 hits.

[XuaXua]

I faceplanted into a lab minotaur with a great sword of holy wrath. Full HP -> dead in 2 hits.

PROTIP: That holy wrath doesn't help against minotaurs.

I've been known to be wrong.

[Moose]

I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

[nilsbloodaxe]

I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

[XuaXua]

I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

Those are big pajamas.

[duvessa]

I fought one bennu and realized that abyss is now more bearable than tomb

[Magipi]

I fought one bennu and realized that abyss is now more bearable than tomb

I don't really see the connection between bennus and this realization.
(If anything, the various kinds of screaming whatnots are responsible for making Tomb suck now.)