CSDC Week 9 - TrAM, CLOSED


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Post Friday, 21st March 2014, 23:59

CSDC Week 9 - TrAM, CLOSED

Please use this thread for discussion of all things pertaining to Week 9 of the Crawl Sudden Death Challenges competition.

Week 9: TrAM

Tier I Bonus: Collect a rune before entering Lair.
Tier II Bonus: Collect a rune before entering Temple, Lair, or Orc.


NOTE: Unless otherwise specified, you do not need to win the game to get points for the bonus challenges.

CSDC Season 1 Results and Standings

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 04:00

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

These bonuses are the hardest yet. Only runes you can get are Abyss, Pan and Hell, which means going straight through the Dungeon and into Depths. Unless I'm missing something. This one seems bonkers.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 05:51

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Yeah, the Tier II is very hard this week. But on the other hand, TrAM is a ludicrously easy combo.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 07:45

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

On D:4...

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Found the +9,+9 Staff of Wucad Mu.


Well, that would have been slightly more helpful for the DEVM :D

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 10:53

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

diviton wrote:These bonuses are the hardest yet. Only runes you can get are Abyss, Pan and Hell, which means going straight through the Dungeon and into Depths. Unless I'm missing something. This one seems bonkers.


Much like Lord of Darkness banner in tournament:

Kikubaaqudgha wants players to demonstrate their mastery over the forces of darkness without delay, and will recognise a player who shows disdain for the Lair as a LORD OF DARKNESS.
I: Enter the Vestibule of Hell without having entered the Lair.
II: Get a rune without having entered the Lair.
III: Win a game without having entered the Temple, the Orcish Mines, the Lair, or the Vaults (+50 tournament points).

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 13:20

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Weird choice: go for tier bonus and die with 80% chance or ignore it and win with 80% chance.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 13:49

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Branchless games have been won plenty of times, and while getting the first branchless rune is a lot harder these days (like the rest of crawl), WalkerBoh placed absolutely no restrictions on what you do after getting that rune. I think you're overreacting.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 13:52

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duvessa wrote:Branchless games have been won plenty of times, and while getting the first branchless rune is a lot harder these days (like the rest of crawl), WalkerBoh placed absolutely no restrictions on what you do after getting that rune. I think you're overreacting.


Don't forget there is a restriction of 1 game only. I know how speed runs are played - 10 splats, 1 great win. This is similar to speedrunning IMHO, you are very likely to die because you are underleveled.

Edit. I am not suggesting to change tier bonuses, just whining a little :)

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 14:26

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duvessa wrote:Branchless games have been won plenty of times, and while getting the first branchless rune is a lot harder these days (like the rest of crawl), WalkerBoh placed absolutely no restrictions on what you do after getting that rune. I think you're overreacting.


Never said it was impossible. Just that its the hardest challenge so far and I still think it is.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 14:32

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

diviton wrote:Never said it was impossible. Just that its the hardest challenge so far and I still think it is

Whether it really is the most difficult will be difficult to prove, because nobody got to zig:20!

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 15:02

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Bart wrote:
diviton wrote:Never said it was impossible. Just that its the hardest challenge so far and I still think it is

Whether it really is the most difficult will be difficult to prove, because nobody got to zig:20!


At least some players tried.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 15:16

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Sandman25 wrote: I know how speed runs are played - 10 splats, 1 great win.


Just nitpicking, but I'd think speedrun is more like 100 splats, 1 great win. 1/10 is not bad, for most people, playing conservatively.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 15:57

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

It all depends on how fast you're trying to go - and if you're trying to go too fast the odds are even worse than that.
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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 19:33

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Such an awesome combo, still got completely destroyed. Menkaure and a centaur ganged up on me and my teleport put me one space from where I was before...

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 19:39

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Yes, I think teleports should be changed, they should have some minimal radius where you cannot land into. Yesterday I stepped on unseen teleportation trap in Zot5 with my DEVM and landed adjacent to the same trap, that was hilarious.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 19:56

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Well I went for the Tier II challenge and just got obliterated in Depths. In typical fashion, I entered Depths with a +3 IDA and no rF (so I was at rF-) and the first two enemies I encountered were a fire dragon and fire giant. Went back upstairs and swapped to robe of Folly (yes, my next-best armor), and tried to handle the fire dudes with some digging tactics and greater demon - which of course summoned a hostile balrug (despite 10 invo :( ). Managed to barely tele out, and then fought an ice dragon, which hit me for 46 damage on the last turn and killed me.

In summary, Depths is really hard at xl13.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 20:33

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

WalkerBoh wrote:In typical fashion, I entered Depths with a +3 IDA and no rF
this doesn't sound very typical to me

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 20:49

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Forgive my confusion, but isn't TrAM Troll Arcane Marksman? How is this an easy combo? (I rarely play either so perhaps I'm missing something super obvious)
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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 20:59

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TeshiAlair wrote:Forgive my confusion, but isn't TrAM Troll Arcane Marksman? How is this an easy combo? (I rarely play either so perhaps I'm missing something super obvious)

You are a troll and start with 4 large rocks. One of the easiest starts you can ever get.

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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 21:00

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

*lightbulb*

Thank you
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Post Saturday, 22nd March 2014, 21:44

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

WalkerBoh wrote:In summary, Depths is really hard at xl13.


You know... Even at xl18 it's really hard...

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Post Sunday, 23rd March 2014, 00:04

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Out berserked by Snorg after fighting Maud. I have to say that I don't know how to play a bruiser who can't avoid or aborb hits other than with hp. I hadn't even found a cloak by lair 5.

Oh well. There's always next week (until there's not).

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Post Sunday, 23rd March 2014, 07:17

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duvessa wrote:
WalkerBoh wrote:In typical fashion, I entered Depths with a +3 IDA and no rF
this doesn't sound very typical to me

Well yes, it is often easy to make snide remarks when you take quotes out of context and leave out the other half. Good work, A+ for you. To make it clearer for ya, the typical part is that I entered with rF- and found two fire enemies right away.

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Post Sunday, 23rd March 2014, 12:41

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I also went for challenge 2. I entered Depths 1 at XL13 wearing steam dragon armor and a +0 randart hat with rF+, though I had already lost all my throwing items to a jelly and attrition, and the only decks I had were escape and defense. Thus, almost immediately 5 boggarts nearly kicked my ass by summoning a ton of crazy ranged threats from far enough away that I couldn't just mow the boggarts down with claws. I barely escaped, and came back to wipe them and a stone giant out one at a time. A lot more luring things to stairs later, and I had Depths:1 clear. I went downstairs and found a portal to the abyss quickly. I though about getting more xp before entering, but I saw a scary-looking yaktaur pack in a very open area and opted not to.

I entered the abyss at xl 14, and made my way to Abyss:3 surprisingly quickly. Before long I found the rune vault, but it was a particularly nasty one filled with ettins dual-wielding distortion. I was eyeballing it when an invis lorocyproca came up behind me. Fighting it was scary, and WalkerBoh convinced me to try to rush the rune while streaming summons behind and using deck of defense to buff. I had no mana at this point so I had to draw blind, and my first summon card gave me abjuration aura. I didn't notice immediately, so I summoned a few more things and they poofed after 1-3 turns. Super. Deck of defense gave me flight and lichform, but that wasn't nearly good enough to deal with the trailing lorocyproca so I eventually died.

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Post Sunday, 23rd March 2014, 12:53

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Player abjuration affects player summons now? Not hostile ones only??? Isn't it a bug?

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Post Sunday, 23rd March 2014, 21:40

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

I met an EE player ghost for the first time :(

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Post Monday, 24th March 2014, 09:28

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

There appears to be a minor error in the google spreadsheet:

There is a score listed for me under TrAM when I definitely haven't gotten around to playing anything past TeSK yet.

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Post Monday, 24th March 2014, 14:30

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

I'll look into it tonight, thanks.

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Post Monday, 24th March 2014, 18:48

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  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-3481-g7d9f734 (webtiles) character file.

DiviTon the Brawler (Troll Arcane Marksman)        Turns: 26930, Time: 01:57:26

HP 131/131       AC 16     Str 26      XL: 14   Next: 83%
MP  23/23        EV 13     Int  9      God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 2633        SH  0     Dex  9      Spells:  3 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     V - +4 robe of Night {+Inv MR+ SInv Stlth+}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     (shield restricted)
rPois  .         rCorr    .     U - +2 hat
rElec  .         rRot     .     h - +2 cloak (curse)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  +         Stasis   .     p - amulet of conservation
MR     ++...                    L - ring of sustenance
                                u - +5,+3 ring of slaying

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, slimy green scales 1, see invisible, fast
metabolism 3, frail 1, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1,
tough skin 2
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 25 of its levels.

You have collected 2668 gold pieces.
You have spent 35 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 i - an uncursed crossbow
 t - an uncursed crossbow
 x - a runed crossbow
Missiles
 b - 8 large rocks (quivered)
 c - a throwing net
Armour
 h - a cursed +2 cloak (worn)
 z - a +1 robe of cold resistance
 U - a +2 hat (worn)
 V - the +4 robe of Night (worn) {+Inv MR+ SInv Stlth+}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Magical devices
 e - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2}
 N - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 f - 5 meat rations
 g - a pear
 k - 2 bread rations
 s - a choko
 G - a chunk of orc flesh
Scrolls
 l - 2 scrolls of fog
 q - a scroll of identify
 A - 2 scrolls of fear
 B - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 I - 2 scrolls of blinking
 P - a scroll of teleportation
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of magical power
 p - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 u - a +5,+3 ring of slaying (left claw)
 v - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 y - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 C - a +3 ring of intelligence
 E - the ring "Gyacweg" {Wiz Str+4 Dex-2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
 L - a ring of sustenance (right claw)
Potions
 a - 4 potions of curing
 j - a metallic red potion
 m - a potion of invisibility
 n - 2 potions of heal wounds
 o - 3 potions of haste
 r - a slimy pink potion
 w - 3 potions of restore abilities
 F - 2 orange potions
 H - 2 green potions
 R - 2 murky purple potions


   Skills:
 - Level 11.0 Fighting
 * Level 6.8 Throwing
 - Level 11.0 Dodging
 - Level 15.0 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 2.0 Hexes
 - Level 9.0 Invocations
 - Level 0.1 Evocations


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            #......      17%         1    ##.....
b - Slow                  Hex            #.......     28%         2    ###....
c - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        #.....       38%         2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:5
 Spider (0/5) Lair:3     
 Slime: Lair:6-8   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:8 ?   Orc:4 }!*(

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Annotations:
D:11 Erolcha
Lair:4 Harold
Lair:8 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2).
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are frail (-10% HP).


Only downside so far is the Frail mutation, but it came along with See Invisible and Green Scales. Used Acquirement to get more rocks and now I'm steamrolling through stuff. Just finished Lair and tabbed the hell out of Orc.

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Post Tuesday, 25th March 2014, 03:59

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Grrr, died on Swamp:4 to a pack of Spriggans. Spriggan Riders are surprisingly dangerous. I chalk this death up to a lack of Troll experience. Just not used to seeing a character's HP go down so easy. Not used to playing glass cannons. Oh well, lesson learned.
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Post Tuesday, 25th March 2014, 15:08

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

So are we playing this in Trunk?
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Post Tuesday, 25th March 2014, 16:25

Re: CSDC Week 9 - TrAM

Yes all games are in 0.14 trunk. But you won't be able to officially participate until next season though, as signups closed a couple months ago.

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Post Tuesday, 25th March 2014, 16:40

Re: Week 9 - TrAM

Tedronai wrote:
TeshiAlair wrote:Forgive my confusion, but isn't TrAM Troll Arcane Marksman? How is this an easy combo? (I rarely play either so perhaps I'm missing something super obvious)

You are a troll and start with 4 large rocks. One of the easiest starts you can ever get.


It is even better than that, actually.

Corona tends to stick to stuff without needing too much hexes training. Corona + Large Rocks is a match made in heaven for the early game. It is also worth it to get at least slow, you can pick up the higher stuff later on if you like but by Lair corona + slow + claws + large rocks will be extremely powerful with just a nominal 5 or 6 levels investment in hexes—completely doable by Lair despite -4 aptitude on a dude that's so strong in early game as Troll—plus the usual UC and fighting. TrAM is significantly stronger than TrHu, don't let the aptitudes fool you.

Oh and also don't forget the two throwing nets.
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Post Thursday, 27th March 2014, 05:02

Re: CSDC Week 9 - TrAM

I got further than I normally did because I picked up Wyrmbane instead of going unarmed. Never did fight a true dragon (wyvern, komodo, drakes) before I got killed.
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