Return Of The Tavern Snacks (0.26 flavour)


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Post Saturday, 23rd January 2021, 15:46

Re: Return Of The Tavern Snacks (0.26 flavour)

pearl dragon armour is very good if you're going into extended and not going for super heavy or super light armour (ie crystal plate, gold dragon, swamp dragon, robes of archmagi).
But yes you have to get it up to +7 for it to actually give better AC than comparable armours, and the resistance is mostly useful against torment, so it's not very good if you've already spend your enchant armour scrolls going for a quick win.

I don't know about the singing sword. I've heard good things about it, but would it have to replace your shield?

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Post Saturday, 23rd January 2021, 16:43

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I just lost my Naga in the Zot vault :(

TBF I could have played more patiently. All my paths were blocked by permanent traps, and at some point I decided to just teleport myself. I thought I'd cleared out most of the baddies, but apparently I hadn't. A downside of having so much stealth. I got repeatedly tormented, netted, there were berserk orb guardians around, my teleport triggered too late (I read ?tele the turn after I teleported), and I didn't quaff enough ?Heal.

Pity, only 1 win this tournament. I don't have enough time for another game, I think.

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Post Saturday, 23rd January 2021, 23:46

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Sorry. It does feel unfair to me that Z:5 sometimes, but not usually, has both paths blocked; makes a rather large difference in difficulty from a simple RNG roll.

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Post Sunday, 24th January 2021, 04:14

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And there went my MiBe. Got sloppy while mopping up V:5 and didn't notice that a vault warden had a distortion weapon. Grabbed the rune while I was there from the honeycomb vault but was smitten to death by meliai before the teleport kicked in. Guess my 2 wins will be all I get this tournament.

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Post Sunday, 24th January 2021, 10:17

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petercordia wrote:I don't know about the singing sword. I've heard good things about it, but would it have to replace your shield?


The singing sword is one handed (double sword), so it would not had to replace my shield. But I died anyway.

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Post Sunday, 24th January 2021, 15:47

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Alas. The sword sang in vain.

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Post Sunday, 24th January 2021, 22:52

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Congrats to everyone, and a pleasure playing with y'all! Is there any easy way to figure out which was the one unique we missed? (Like, easier than going through each of our individual lists.)

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Post Monday, 25th January 2021, 01:22

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Based on comparing Strat with booing, it was one of
* Dissolution
* Ignacio
* Khufu
But that wasn't actually very easy to figure out, because I had to go through Strat's whole list.

I also enjoyed playing with you :)

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Post Monday, 25th January 2021, 02:47

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Great playing with you all this time around. I'd never complain about what the tourney runners/devs do, because it's all volunteer, but figuring out things like which uniques I'm missing is too much work -- I can't believe you had the patience for it, petercordia. I had a little more time to play for various reasons right now, so I was able to blow through a lot of games (which tanked my win percentage, of course ...) -- now I probably won't play again until the next tourney. Thanks again to Moanerette for setting this up; looking forward to .27.

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Post Monday, 25th January 2021, 04:53

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Not Khufu; I killed him. So either Dissolution or Ignacio. Edit: and sanka got Dissolution. So Ignacio.

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Post Monday, 25th January 2021, 09:02

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Thanks for being my first team during a tournament! Your support also brought my first tournament win (with a Nemelex combo, but too late to be the first 8). Unfortunately I did not win a second time, so only one win - maybe I'll get better for next time.

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Post Tuesday, 26th January 2021, 04:02

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Thank you all very much for joining; I definitely played considerably more than I would have on my own. It was very pleasing that you all got a win. I don't mind not winning; I've only won 4 times ever and one of those was right before the tournament started, so a game where I got 2 runes was good enough for me.

Getting rid of the food clock is up there with getting rid of encumbrance - got used to it instantly and wouldn't want to go back. Palentonga is cool. I like new draining as well.

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Post Tuesday, 26th January 2021, 05:13

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New draining --- yes, vast improvement. I'm still getting used to not butchering every corpse I see, though.

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Post Tuesday, 27th July 2021, 15:28

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Tavern Snacks are back for the 0.27 tournament! Three places are left in the casual tourney clan whose only requirement is you have a good time. Post here if you'd like to join Strat, Sanka and me, having a good time.

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Post Tuesday, 27th July 2021, 15:55

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I'm in again, thanks for organizing!

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Post Tuesday, 27th July 2021, 21:57

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Welcome back, andrew!

To join, add # TEAMCAPTAIN Moanerette to the start of your rc file. Hopefully we should be showing up soon.

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Post Tuesday, 27th July 2021, 22:46

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Capitalized? It was lower-case last time.

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Post Wednesday, 28th July 2021, 11:44

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I think either works.

Two places left in the 'have fun, don't worry' clan.

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 08:41

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I have added the line to my 0.27 RC file on Xtahua, but I am still not listed as member of the team on the team page. Am I missing something, or am I missing from your list of players?

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 11:36

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I'm down, let's go again

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 13:15

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sanka wrote:I have added the line to my 0.27 RC file on Xtahua, but I am still not listed as member of the team on the team page. Am I missing something, or am I missing from your list of players?


I put your name in my rc file and I don't understand why you're not showing up. You do play as 'sanka', don't you?

floatboth wrote:I'm down, let's go again


I've added you. One place left!

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 14:19

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Yes, I play as sanka. I have no idea what's going on. I have tried to put it into my underhound RC file as well - how much time do we need to wait before I appear as a member?

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 17:07

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Did you put the space between # and Moanerette?

Sorry if that's an "of course I did" question but I actually can't think of anything else. I've triple-checked my rc files and they're fine. Strat and andrew are both in so it's working for them.

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 18:40

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  Code:
# TEAMCAPTAIN Moanerette


I copied the first line of my RC file above. I must missing something stupid like editing the wrong file or something.

Also, I used exactly the same line in the 0.26 tournament and it worked.

EDIT: I copied the line from adrew's RC file just in case. No luck. Also, I checked your RC and it seems to be ok.
Last edited by sanka on Thursday, 29th July 2021, 19:09, edited 1 time in total.

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 18:48

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I'll try deleting then redoing my rc file changes. Not til later though as I have to go out.

If any tourney/tech-knowledgeable people have an idea of the issue, please post!

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Post Thursday, 29th July 2021, 22:10

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Well, something has worked cos you're present and correct now.

One place left.

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Post Friday, 30th July 2021, 21:04

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Starting with a DDMo^Makhleb. Now on L:2 with a flail of draining. The nerfing of Makh's heal-on-kills is very noticeable; so far I don't seem to be at risk of running out of MP but at three stars I still need to use the innate heal.

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Post Saturday, 31st July 2021, 11:00

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ooofff. Incredible item luck, very nice start, only to get abyssed by some distortion weapon in the beginning of orcish mines, even while wearing a +will armor.

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Post Saturday, 31st July 2021, 15:45

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First win, with a Nemelex choice (HuAm):

https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/sanka/morgue-sanka-20210731-153036.txt

Highlights:
1. I found Rift in a shop in D5, but can only buy it a little after Orc (all gold from Orc was not enough, but close). Rift + silver javelines are a very good combo.
2. My most hairy Zot 5 moment so far:
- I got "inability to read while threatened" mutation from an orb of fire without a single mutation potion left. (I cleared exactly the same mutation 2 times earlier.)
- I got teleported into a middle of monsters: orb of fire, draconain pack with shifters, curse skull (!), ancient lich
- A killer clown hits me, and I loose the ability to drink potions due to her chaos attack, and my mutation kicks in so I can not read scrolls. Curse skull casts torment, summons mushrooms, shifter blinks everyone next to me.
- I started to unwield/wield Rift to get cast into the Abyss -- and after quite a few tries I succeeded with very small HP! Running around in Abyss 5 with monsters around me and no potion/scroll for a while, but I survived.

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Post Saturday, 31st July 2021, 16:03

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Go sanka!

People are tearing through the Nemelex Choice combos, when I went to bed last night (UK time) no-one had won one.

My PaCj is XL9 and I'm still using Magic Dart/Searing Ray for everything. Veh is currently offering me Ignite Poison, and I found Mephitic Cloud in a book, so that pair is a bit tempting. But Pa have crap Fire (crap in all elements in fact) and Poison apts, so I'm dubious. Honestly not sure where to go with this char's training. I'm playing very carefully but Lair's open spaces and fast monsters are a worry.

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 02:26

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Yes, go sanka! And Abyss with Qazlal is brutal (and I say this as someone who got my first win ever with Qazlal).

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 12:35

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Great job, sanka. I'm having a tough time getting anything going -- combination of poor play, not adjusting to changes in .27 (I haven't played it much) and who knows what, so I'm glad someone is getting wins.

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 13:41

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We're two thirds of the way to harvesting all the uniques. Last time I think we missed one. This isn't a target - WE DON'T DO TARGETS! - but it's nice to see.

It always amuses me to see how slow my play is compared to others. I do spend a fair bit of time with the game open but doing other things. Playing carefully is paying off for my PaCj as I've cleared Lair and Orc, got Fireball, Freezing Cloud and Lightning Bolt online at decent power and have Sticky Flame at full power. Still using Searing Ray a lot, seems better than it used to be. Found a good ring (AC+4 Slay+5), cheap at 741 gold, and switching between +8 sling of freezing, Staff of Conj and the +3 quarterstaff of Bodily Humours {vorpal, rPois rN+++ Str-2 Stlth+} as appropriate.

Worried about EV, which is 11 after training Dodging to 10.8.

Should I bother training staves at all? Not sure. Morgue is here - http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Moane ... erette.txt

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 17:56

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Am I the only one not going for Nemelex's Choices? Wow.

On a Mi^Lugonu, found an antimagic great mace (and no other great mace) --- would you keep it as such or distortionize?

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 19:23

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I would keep it and perhaps distort a whip (or demon whip if available). Antimagic is very good if you do not cast, and you may not want to blink ancient liches.

I won an other Nemex combo, this time I think I was the first to win this combination:

https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/sanka/morgue-sanka-20210801-164201.txt

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 19:45

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welp got shafted from Zot:1 to 2, instantly surrounded by lots of draconians, no blink scrolls left, no blink spell/items, decided to blast Starburst a couple times and got hit way too hard, fear scroll didn't save :(

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 19:57

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Yay sanka again! Anyway by the time I'd trained m&f to the point of wanting to use a great mace at all I'd found another one anyway. Which I think I shall distort.

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Post Sunday, 1st August 2021, 23:32

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Alas, my minotaur was banished by a distortion weapon. And I was greedy and waited too long before using Lugonu's Abyss-leaving power, by which point I could be one-shot back in Shoals. I don't know why I've been unable to win minotaurs lately, but I have. Morgue: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/andrew/morgue-andrew-20210801-232907.txt

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Post Tuesday, 3rd August 2021, 01:54

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Well, I did try for a Nemelex Combo, and I struggled through D and S vaults with DjWn, only to have it all go down the drain. Ah well.

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Post Tuesday, 3rd August 2021, 02:26

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Ah well indeed. But you're still the second of us to get a win; congrats!

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Post Tuesday, 3rd August 2021, 10:50

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LET'S GOOOOO

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Post Tuesday, 3rd August 2021, 22:20

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Yay floatboth! Demonspawn and Qazlal are both great fun.

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Post Wednesday, 4th August 2021, 16:27

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Congrats, floatboth. I'm always a little tentative about playing with Qaz -- especially impressed by your pairing him with DS (which can go so many different ways that don't always play nicely with loudness). Trying for 15 myself, which I do once every tourney and hate with a passion -- too long and too stressful.

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Post Wednesday, 4th August 2021, 17:32

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Good luck. I just lost my MfBe trying for 4; three scrolls of summoning and berserk was enough to kill TRJ but not enough to survive the aftermath. Still got a combo highscore, which I don't always manage in tournaments. (On which topic, yay strat for getting many combo highscores.)

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Post Thursday, 5th August 2021, 13:50

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Strat wrote:Congrats, floatboth. I'm always a little tentative about playing with Qaz -- especially impressed by your pairing him with DS (which can go so many different ways that don't always play nicely with loudness). Trying for 15 myself, which I do once every tourney and hate with a passion -- too long and too stressful.


And you won with 14, thank you for your service! I've lost every time I've tried extended so it's nice that someone else is getting all those Hell and Pan uniques. Which rune did you miss out on in the end?

My PaCj is now XL 21, with 2 runes, on V4. I'll be slightly annoyed if I don't bring this home but I am great at dying in the late game and won't take anything for granted.

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Post Thursday, 5th August 2021, 17:55

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golden, apparently; at least, that's the one rune we're missing. (And the three uniques we're missing appear to be Ignacio, Khufu and the Serpent of Hell; with which I doubt I'll be of much use.)

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Post Thursday, 5th August 2021, 22:19

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We stil have time - the hardest one to find is usually Ignacio - I think I have never met her! Later on the tournament I may try a 15 rune run if I get a strong character and hunt him down.

Meanwhile I had another win:

https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/sanka/morgue-sanka-20210805-220133.txt

A Nemelx combo again, and my first Djinn. Djinn can be very strong if she gets good spells because she does not need much XP to learn them. I guess this is somewhat random though and you need to adapt. I was lucky.

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Post Thursday, 5th August 2021, 23:32

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Yay sanka! Happy Djinning!

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Post Friday, 6th August 2021, 19:05

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Yep, I gave up on Tomb after nearly dying 4 times, and with no blinks left. I'm able to get the golden rune only when I have the right toolkit -- maybe should have switched to TSO at the end. Good work, sanka, on all the Nemelex combos. I splatted a busload of them (GrNe, GhAM) -- again, signs that .27 is harder at least for players like me, I guess. Running an OgDe now, and I might have a shot (in V5 at the moment).

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Post Friday, 6th August 2021, 20:55

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It's certainly gotten harder for me; only one win in the last few months (I generally play trunk) and only one run with runes so far in the tournament (and no wins). Glad I'm not imagining things, at least.
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