Delights gleaned from the translation project.

[Grimm]

The Slime Pits in Spanish are

Los Fosos Cenagosos

[Grimm]

The Shining One in Greek is

O Lampros Enas

[TehDruid]

The Shining One in Greek is

O Lampros Enas

Hahah Grimm it sounds funny if you speak Greek natively but that's the best I could think of. By the way, I had to give the gods sexes so I went with a male Shining One.

Λαμπ(ε)ρός = Lab(e)ros = Shining, Bright, Radiant but can also mean Brilliant, Splendid, Glorious depending on context.

[Grimm]

It sounds like "lamp" but also "lamprey" which gives a funny image of a giant eel god.

[Grimm]

If anyone decides to do a translation into Jamaican patois, we could see such lovely sights as these:

player ghost - duppy
wizard - obeah
spider - anancy
mermaid - sea-mahmy
deep dwarf - deep duffidia
octopode - sea puss

[TehDruid]

If anyone decides to do a translation into Jamaican patois, we could see such lovely sights as these:

player ghost - duppy
wizard - obeah
spider - anancy
mermaid - sea-mahmy
deep dwarf - deep duffidia
octopode - sea puss

Ya mon.

[PerverseSuffering]

In Ukrainian, The Shining One is

Сяючий

[Grimm]

Syayuchiy in roman letters

[MyOtheHedgeFox]

You will not get it in Latin, Grimm...

[Jabberwocky]

If anyone decides to do a translation into Jamaican patois, we could see such lovely sights as these:

player ghost - duppy
wizard - obeah
spider - anancy
mermaid - sea-mahmy
deep dwarf - deep duffidia
octopode - sea puss

If someone translated into Welsh we could have these marvels..
Player ghost-rfwgklmeg
Wizard-asdcdodebc
spider-fuosdopcxpasedadxccvmposcdmp

[Grimm]

This isn't from the translation project but I've just learnt that the French word for chainsaw is tronçonneuse. That is excellent.

[Jabberwocky]

What else could it be?

[Grimm]

What do you mean?

[Jabberwocky]

What else could chainsaw be but tronçonneuse?

[Confidence Interval]

JW makes a very good point there. After all, if a chainsaw was not a chainsaw, what would it be?

[orshelack]

JW makes a very good point there. After all, if a chainsaw was not a chainsaw, what would it be?

A surrealist image of a chainsaw, perhaps?
Ceci n'est pas une tronçonneuse!

[JeffQyzt]

A chainsaw so chainsawesque in its chainsawness that it could not possibly be an actual chainsaw. Must be a mimic.

[Bomanz]

"The Shining One" would correctly be translated as "Ο Λαμπερός", or O Lamberos (the 'm' is mostly silent when you say it).

Google translate or whatever you are using is no pinche bueno.

[Grimm]

O Lampros Enas was offered by an actual Greek person, so you'll need to take your concerns to him.

[varsovie]

One "tronconneuse" can also be a "scie mécanique". or a "scie à chaîne". Yes, french have a lot of way to say F U zombies!
I love ice or wood chainsaw carving contests.

[Jabberwocky]

Neither of those are as much fun. I too like chainsaw wood carving competitions.

[tcjsavannah]

le saw du chain

[gdami1]

The best way i can translate "the slime pit" in french is "La fosse gélatineuse" ou "La fosse aux gelées", which is incredibly ridiculous

And tronçonneuse is definitely the only word used by normal people for chainsaw

I've been thinking about french translation and the most annoying thing is rCold and rFire:

first solution: rFroid and rChaleur (rC becomes rF, rF becomes rC)
2nd: rGlace and rFeu (more accurate translation, but doesn't sound good)

[Jabberwocky]

rFroid and rChaleur are much nicer then rGlace and rFeu.

[gdami1]

Armure de Dragon (rC++, rF-)

Gotta be disturbing at first

[Grimm]

rSangfroid

[cerebovssquire]

frenchies need more rNausee to do elf

[some12fat2move]

rFroid and rChaleur are much nicer then rGlace and rFeu.

Definitely need some rFreud to do psych 101.

[cerebovssquire]

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<Elynae> ??sartre[4]
<Wenzell> sartre[4/4]: this is what sartre thinks about psychology: we are born with holes and desire to fill them with flesh, this is why children pick their noses amongst other things; this is why we read sartre for philosophy and not psychology

[Grimm]

medalist for most overrated philosopher of the last five centuries

[nicolae]

medalist for most overrated philosopher of the last five centuries

a hundred-place tie for All Of Them

boom, take that, philosophers

[Grimm]

philosoburn

[Bomanz]

O Lampros Enas was offered by an actual Greek person, so you'll need to take your concerns to him.

The word 'Enas', which means one/a/someone (male), is simply not used that way in Greek. For example if someone asks you which watch do you prefer, the shining one or the dull one, you would answer that question "Το λαμπρό". The adjective already has the sense of the word 'One' built into it.

Your project is your project, but if you want the correct grammar and meaning then you need to do away with the 'Enas'.

SOURCE: I am Greek, living in Greece and I studied Ancient Greek at uni.

[TehDruid]

O Lampros Enas was offered by an actual Greek person, so you'll need to take your concerns to him.

The word 'Enas', which means one/a/someone (male), is simply not used that way in Greek. For example if someone asks you which watch do you prefer, the shining one or the dull one, you would answer that question "Το λαμπρό". The adjective already has the sense of the word 'One' built into it.

Your project is your project, but if you want the correct grammar and meaning then you need to do away with the 'Enas'.

SOURCE: I am Greek, living in Greece and I studied Ancient Greek at uni.

I think now we can officially have Grimm create the Greek sub-forum in Stranger's Corner.
By the way, Bomanz, I sent you a PM, check it out please.

[cerebovssquire]

medalist for most overrated philosopher of the last five centuries

kant

(if you want to pun on kant there's a rule, it isn't allowed to replace can't (or canned for that matter))

[Grimm]

Your project is your project, but if you want the correct grammar and meaning then you need to do away with the 'Enas'.

SOURCE: I am Greek, living in Greece and I studied Ancient Greek at uni.

Please take it up with the other real Greek person who wrote it, TehDruid, according to the pm he's sent you. I don't want any riots here.

I think now we can officially have Grimm create the Greek sub-forum in Stranger's Corner.

You can make a Greek thread yourself, and I recommend that you do. I also recommend recruiting Bomanz into the Transifex project.

medalist for most overrated philosopher of the last five centuries

kant

At least Kant tried to make something positive. Sartre was just a big selfish downer, in addition to having mostly swiped his schtick from Heidegger. Also, I cannot abide his support of Stalin.

(if you want to pun on kant there's a rule, it isn't allowed to replace can't (or canned for that matter))

Easy, you just replace "cant" (as in argot) with it. Next please.

[cerebovssquire]

I have exactly the opposite impression of Sartre in regards to pessimism. He starts out by saying that life has no intrinsic meaning and then goes on to say how you give it meaning personally, which is kind of a trivial solution to such an existential problem (and the problem I have with existentialism: it isn't really worth much from an academic point of view (at least nowadays?), because to be honest it's just regurgitating the mantra you'll hear from 50% of the population when you ask them about the meaning of life ("it's what you make of it!"). And I don't see how "I want my life to have meaning X!" is equivalent to "My life has meaning X!" But I haven't read all of Being and Nothingness but only some of his lectures on existentialism, so mabe I'm missing out on something. But yeah, it seems like he believes that a triviality like that can solve the big question he poses, and that is optimistic or even naive. Not that the question was his own, either. Perhaps his views were newer to the era he lived in.
Oh and I've heard stories about Sartre not wanting the Nobel Prize but still demanding the prize money (but his biographer doesn't seem to have real evidence for that)

Crime Pasionel, Roads to Freedom and Huis Clos are pretty good though. But these all are more literary than philosophical, or at least don't shove existentialism down your throat as much as other works.

[TehDruid]

You can make a Greek thread yourself, and I recommend that you do.

Thanks for telling. I remember you had to ask a moderator to have one of those language topics made.

I also recommend recruiting Bomanz into the Transifex project.

I've already included that in my PM to him.

[Grimm]

Sartre

See in my view (and experience) that's more than just a triviality he performs - it's a cheap sleight of hand that has extremely negative consequences. He papers over the fact that this "self" out of which value arises is actually unknown to him, and he refuses to investigate any deeper than sensual impulses and desires. To put it another way: what is it exactly that says "My life has such and such a meaning" - what formulates that sentence? Sartre neither knows nor wants to know. He calls it "nothing" without knowing what that nothing is.

What that sort of thinking results in may be superficially optimistic but it's a castle built on worse than sand and leads to the sort of gimcrack civilization we've been building for decades now. It's no coincidence that his ideas are pop wisdom these days, and that he's often referred to as "the greatest philosopher of the 20th century", a title that belongs to Wittgenstein if it belongs to anybody.

[cerebovssquire]

OK we really neeed Sane Yiuf's Corner

[Grimm]

BLASPHEMY

[Bomanz]

You can make a Greek thread yourself, and I recommend that you do.

Thanks for telling. I remember you had to ask a moderator to have one of those language topics made.

I also recommend recruiting Bomanz into the Transifex project.

I've already included that in my PM to him.

Responded to you.

[Confidence Interval]

it isn't really worth much from an academic point of view (at least nowadays?), because to be honest it's just regurgitating the mantra you'll hear from 50% of the population when you ask them about the meaning of life ("it's what you make of it!").

I'm not certain whether you're criticizing the situation that (a) people have taken on board (some version of) one of the main concepts of existentialism and that this in some way undermines the value of the original idea, or (b) the existentialist concept captures, in a more scholarly way, something that many people already believed. In either case I don't see how this detracts from the academic value of a concept, or way of thinking. (a) sounds a bit like the old joke: "I read some Shakespeare, didn't think much of it: it was just a bunch of cliches!"

And I don't see how "I want my life to have meaning X!" is equivalent to "My life has meaning X!"

I don't understand that to be the claim made, rather (something like) "I live my life as if X was inherently meaningful thus, for me, X is inherently meaningful."

Perhaps his views were newer to the era he lived in.

Perhaps most new things seem old when viewed retrospectively...

[cerebovssquire]

More or less the post was: (a) "existentialism doesn't seem very new to me as someone growing up in the 21st century but maybe it was something new back then, but even if it was I (b) don't really see how it's philosophically founded".
If the concept was nothing new at all, it doesn't decrease the merit of the idea itself, only the merit of thinking it (compare "I understand the theory of relativity" with "I came up with the theory of relativity"). And, again, I have no idea how new Sartre's ideas were in his time (I assume they were), so really I don't intend that point to be important criticism in the first place (it really wouldn't work as serious criticism and I acknowledge that). (b) is more important and is based upon my assumption that Sartre claims that life does somehow become meaningful if you personally want it to be. If you assume

I don't understand that to be the claim made, rather (something like) "I live my life as if X was inherently meaningful thus, for me, X is inherently meaningful."

then that criticism is no longer valid. This interpretation (which seems close to a tautology to me) does however give rise to a new criticism and that's "what's the big deal?" Is the philosophy's only result, then, going from complete nothingness to complete subjectivity, and therefore nothing more than complete nothingness on an objective level - somehow talking itself out of that by saying that it's not a completely individual thing because you don't only define yourself, but all of humanity by your actions (see Existentialism and Humanism where he says that very clearly).

edit: I do see some result in that interpretation now... kind of along the lines of "you can't kid yourself into thinking that your views on the meaning of your life are different that what your actions tell about these views", is that at all accurate? It seems like it would fit in quite well with sentences like "You are nothing but your life" in Huis Clos.

[varsovie]

The best way i can translate "the slime pit" in french is "La fosse gélatineuse" ou "La fosse aux gelées", which is incredibly ridiculous

And tronçonneuse is definitely the only word used by normal people for chainsaw

La fosse gluante
La fosse glaireuse
La fosse visqueuse
La fosse a mucus

Peut aussi etre gouffre ou antre a la place de fosse.

P.S. How this topic has diverged into a pseudo-philosophic discussion?

[Grimm]

[cerebovssquire]

ooooh, "pseudo", burrrrrrrn

[rebthor]

medalist for most overrated philosopher of the last five centuries

In first place should be Ayn Rand. At least Sartre's worldview would create a better world for everyone, not just himself.

[Grimm]

I don't think Sartre's microwaved Heideggerisms would lead to general happiness because as I said above he fails to go to the root.

Rand I think of as more a motivational speaker than a philosopher.

[rebthor]

I don't think Sartre's microwaved Heideggerisms would lead to general happiness because as I said above he fails to go to the root.

Rand I think of as more a motivational speaker than a philosopher.

Ayn Rand is definitely treated as a philosopher. It's been about 10 years since I read any "serious" philosophy, but IMO Sartre's outer "glumness" needs to be viewed through the evolution of existentialist thought from Nietzsche and Kierkegaard onward through Wittgenstein (who I must admit I did not really understand).