New draconian color


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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 19:33

New draconian color

Maybe add another Draconian color(?), BONY draconian.
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1) rN+, +2 to necromancy and a draining breath

2) +1 to necromancy and slight resistance to torment.
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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 19:43

Re: New draconian color

but why
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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 20:37

Re: New draconian color

ontoclasm wrote:but why

why not
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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:00

Re: New draconian color

ontoclasm wrote:but why

New players could be confused into scumming for non-existent necromancy draconians because there is implied symmetry between them and dragons. Therefore the lack of bone draconians is spoilery and should be eliminated from the game (or else rename draconians to something that has no relationship with dragons).

On that topic, acid dragons (yes, with acid cloud breath) and pearl draconians, please.
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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:12

Re: New draconian color

Be much easier to create a Shadow Draconian that gets some form of draining breath and Stealth++ then some suddenly (half?)-undead bone one.
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Post Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:41

Re: New draconian color

FR: Draconians have a 1% chance of being the spawn of Tiamat and changing colour every turn.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 01:00

Re: New draconian color

ontoclasm wrote:but why

Because draconian colors play a interesting role on a draconian playstyle. The only reason to not have more colors is "you dont want to add more content to the game". Of course, i dont agree with the OP, since draining breath belongs to draconian ghosts, or shadow dragons. Black drakes, on the other hand, breath miasma, having a black draconian with rRot, miasma breath(weaker, single tile cloud or no cloud at all, with a bigger breath timer) and maybe some necro apt could work.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 01:40

Re: New draconian color

Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:03

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Obviously no one has tried saying "bony draconian" out loud, if you had it would already be in the game.

It's enough to make me want to have one more kid so I can name it "Bony Draconian"
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:13

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duvessa wrote:Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.


Explain?

I agree with the gist of the idea, but more species, more draconian colours, more unrands etc. doesn't seem like an inherently bad thing to me.

Variety improves the game; options (that make the player more powerful) detract from it.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:15

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duvessa wrote:Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.

Go back to jellyfish lair.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:24

Re: New draconian color

Anything you add is another thing that new players have to learn about.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 05:44

Re: New draconian color

ontoclasm wrote:but why

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 09:29

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ontoclasm wrote:but why


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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 10:23

Re: New draconian color

in duvessa's perfect vision of purity crawl is no longer tha game we know, it's a big small, featureless, empty white room with a single jackal in it, looking at you.

if you stare at it long enough you realise it was not the jackal biting you, it was you biting yourself all along... only then you can achieve the ORB, the purest state of mind where a crawler is one with the everything and victory is pure and true.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 11:59

Re: New draconian color

Shadow draconian with draining breath and +1 necro gets my vote.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:28

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adozu wrote:in duvessa's perfect vision of purity crawl is no longer tha game we know, it's a big small, featureless, empty white room with a single jackal in it, looking at you.

We shall abolish the concept of fun. Our devs are at work upon it now. There will be no play, except play towards optimal survival. There will be no victory, except the victory of ascending with the orb and three runes. There will be no challenge gods, no personal conducts, no using rare artifacts for their novelty. When everybody chooses CeBe for optimal early game we shall have no more need for spells. All competing playstyles will be destroyed.

But always - do not forget this, adozu - always there will be the enforcement of theoretically optimal behavior, constantly increasing and constantly growing bolder. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of choosing the best course of action, and of whining on GDD for removals whenever you die in spite of it.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a berserker fighting a jackal - for ever.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:43

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Croases wrote:We shall abolish the concept of fun. Our devs are at work upon it now. There will be no play, except play towards optimal survival. etc. ad nauseam
Do you guys ever get tired of this?

I guess every devteam gets the players it deserves.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:55

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now now, i just thought i'd throw toghether a jackal pack joke, duvessa's minimalism, a matrix quote and playing around with the idea of "ascending" with the orb and see if something funny came out of it, i didn't mean to make a political critique of crawl :P

overall i don't think devs are chasing after optimal play so much or we wouldn't have gozag :P
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:56

*** Request for temporarily locking this topic ***

At the moment the topic isn't about draconian colours.
Last edited by Turukano on Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:08, edited 1 time in total.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:57

Re: New draconian color

are we really suggesting we stay on topic in CYC?

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:02

Re: New draconian color

new draconian color: developer draconians

gets resistance to criticism, negative fun aptitude, huge removal aptitude

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:02

adozu wrote:are we really suggesting we stay on topic in CYC?

No.

Request for locking was because I got the feeling that people got angry.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:27

Re: New draconian color

dpeg wrote:Do you guys ever get tired of this?

Of what, spoofing 1984? No, of course not.

That said, I was making fun of duvessa's take on what Crawl should be. I don't think this is what Crawl currently is, or where the dev team intends to take it.

If anything, he should be insulted by it.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:34

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new draconian color: tavern poster draconians

gets resistance to sensible arguments, vulnerability to tedious but optimal play, huge complaining aptitude

breath: slippery slope & strawman arguments (stuns the opponent)
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FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWrGnWrNaAKBaFi{MiDeMfDe}{DrAKTrAMGhEnGnWz}
{PaBeDjFi}OgAKPaCAGnCjOgCKMfAEAtCKSpCjDEEE{HOSu
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:43

Re: New draconian color

Good post, Sprucery. Good AND on topic!

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:00

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Why lock this thread? It's got several of the best comedy posts I've seen in weeks. Nice work folks.

Sar: We devs wish we got rCriticism for free. We have to eat the corpses of deceased devs until we get it.

dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:02

Re: New draconian color

tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell

summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment

somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:09

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Lasty wrote:dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.
Yeah, but I got sick of the meme anyway.

Perhaps I can rally enough support to remove a draconian colour for the next release.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:14

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B-O-N-Y, you ain't got no alibi
dpeg wrote:
Lasty wrote:dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.
Yeah, but I got sick of the meme anyway.

Perhaps I can rally enough support to remove a draconian colour for the next release.

Please do, take out yellow or green, I'm 100% with you

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:17

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Or better yet, yellow AND green

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:25

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and mottled, it's just like a red draconian but with poor hygiene

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:27

Re: New draconian color

Now we're talking!

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:50

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Yes please, remove the colors that aren't as useful.

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:07

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ydeve wrote:Yes please, remove the colors that aren't as useful.


I'd be cool with red and white going too, I just feel like there are about two too many. I just picked yellow and green because of course I'm most likely to be all, "aw man..."

White and yellow?

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:15

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brony draconian: gets the powers of one of the My Little Pony main characters.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:20

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No matter how hard you try, you never gonna get rid of draconian colors, only add more. Also, we just got a new drake color in lair.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 18:00

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njvack wrote:brony draconian: gets the powers of one of the My Little Pony main characters.

Why dont you just kill me.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 18:56

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brony draconian: gets fat

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 19:57

Re: New draconian color

you know what, just remove all draconian colours. don't let them mature, like our players

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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 20:09

Re: New draconian color

But i want my draconian colors, i want I WANT I WANT!
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 21:57

Re: New draconian color

Swapping mottled for shadow would honestly make me so happy, I love the idea of a necro-focused draconian because there are enough useful low-level necro spells that make the color swap actually really useful.
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Post Thursday, 10th March 2016, 22:49

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TeshiAlair wrote:Swapping mottled for shadow would honestly make me so happy, I love the idea of a necro-focused draconian because there are enough useful low-level necro spells that make the color swap actually really useful.


thanks

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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 01:14

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CanOfWorms wrote:you know what, just remove all draconian colours. don't let them mature, like our players

thanks

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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 02:19

Re: New draconian color

do shadow draconian ghosts get their draining breath converted to draining breath?

also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore

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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 02:23

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duvessa wrote:do shadow draconian ghosts get their draining breath converted to draining breath?

also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore


Let's be entirely fair here, getting green draconian after converting to TSO is already a thing too.

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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 04:46

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Do you get penance from breathing gas? i thought you couldnt poison enemies under TSO(or use poison spells, which then includes meph), sure you cant attack confused enemies, but you can benefit from it still. Also, who worships TSO as a Dr?
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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 05:51

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duvessa wrote:also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore

It's not like you can't leave them for another god if you want to. There's no wrath after all, so it's less harsh than RedDr^Dith.
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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 17:45

Re: New draconian color

Sar wrote:tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell

summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment

somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves


There has been multiple requests for a level 9 Poison spell....
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Post Friday, 11th March 2016, 18:56

Re: New draconian color

Sar wrote:tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell

summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment

somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves

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