Is there an AI that can win every-time?


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Halls Hopper

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2020, 16:22

Is there an AI that can win every-time?

I think I remember reading somewhere, someone made a program which can, play any recommended character, and then win. Is this true/feasible?

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2020, 20:51

Re: Is there an AI that can win every-time?

That is the weirdest claim I have ever read on this forum ever.

To my knowledge the only bot who ever won a game without human assistance is qw (developed by elliptic). Qw has done some very nice stuff, but is very far from winning any combo on demand.

Games:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/qw.html

Qw fan topic:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=23513

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2020, 20:54

Re: Is there an AI that can win every-time?

Tremendous. I knew I wasn't going mad.

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Post Sunday, 19th July 2020, 00:06

Re: Is there an AI that can win every-time?

Magipi wrote:That is the weirdest claim I have ever read on this forum ever.
You haven't read this topic then: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14997

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Post Monday, 20th July 2020, 10:00

Re: Is there an AI that can win every-time?

duvessa wrote:
Magipi wrote:That is the weirdest claim I have ever read on this forum ever.
You haven't read this topic then: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14997


I seem to be the only person who thanked that thread and I suspect you are missing the point so let me clarify. This game is very hard (especially in 2015 when you needed to know spoilers to avoid being banished, paralyzed etc.), it is impossible to have 90+% win rate for new player. For instance, I created another account and won 5 or 6 games in a row having 100% win rate, this is what the author of that thread calls "winscumming".
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Post Monday, 20th July 2020, 17:32

Re: Is there an AI that can win every-time?

But this phenomenon is usually called "spoilery", and nobody denied that for DCSS, in fact that was one of the main critique of the game. "Winscumming" sounds a pretty dumb name for this, and it sounds pretty stupid to suggest that players cheat when they start a new account when they are spoiled.

In fact players who said that the game is easy have also tried to explain many many times that it is also very spoilery, and it is only easy if you are very spoiled.

By the way, it gets better. I, for example, do not think that removing spell hunger has a very big effect on the strength of mages if you play them spoiled and correctly. But the difference for an unspoiled player is indeed very big.

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