If Naga could grow


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Post Wednesday, 9th August 2017, 00:05

If Naga could grow

Naga could grow in size during the game. An example:

lvl 1: medium
lvl 6: large (gain constriction)
lvl 12: big
lvl 18: giant
lvl 24: huge

From a practical point of view, this means:
- Changes in constriction attack: you can constrict whatever is your same size or smaller. Becoming larger, the naga becomes capable of constricting larger monsters, gaining a bonus against the smaller ones. At giant, you can constrict anything.
- Changes in constriction defense: You have good chances of being unconstrictable by nagas once you reach the snake pit, which means that you will have better chances of running up the stairs. At lvl 18, you can constrict almost anything (dragons, giants, tentacled monstrosities). A huge creature cannot be constricted by something that isn't huge. There aren't many creatures of this kind, and they don't constrict.
- Movement: giant creatures are amphibious (sorta).
- Giant creatures are immune to entanglement by webs and nets.

The growth would happen through development of the tail, so that no aptitude or armour mechanics changes. The torso would then remain medium sized; no EV or SH changes, mostly to avoid needless fiddling, and let's leave them as they are now.

I think that this would make the game better the way in which gaining new active abilities generally is greatly enjoyed by the players (compare Ds, Dr, and the interest raised by the idea of trolls gaining colours). I guess it has something to do with reaching soething tangible in PC development? I also think that naga are quite weak, and this would be a way to make them stronger while adding something to their theme.
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Post Wednesday, 9th August 2017, 00:54

Re: If Naga could grow

Nagas don't need another late-game-exclusive buff.

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Post Wednesday, 9th August 2017, 00:58

Re: If Naga could grow

If the wiki is correct, the Serpent of Hell in Gehenna is giant, whereas in the other hells it is huge. I wonder what's up with that.
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Post Wednesday, 9th August 2017, 17:18

Re: If Naga could grow

Sprucery wrote:If the wiki is correct, the Serpent of Hell in Gehenna is giant, whereas in the other hells it is huge. I wonder what's up with that.


Appears to be SIZE_GIANT in all four instances:

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/mas ... 6318-L6372

  Code:
{
    MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL, 'D', ETC_FIRE, "the Serpent of Hell",
    M_SEE_INVIS | M_UNIQUE | M_CRASH_DOORS | M_FLIES | M_TALL_TILE,
    MR_RES_POISON | MR_RES_DAMNATION | mrd(MR_RES_FIRE, 3),
    21, MONS_DRAGON, MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL, MH_DEMONIC, 180,
    { {AT_BITE, AF_FIRE, 35}, {AT_CLAW, AF_PLAIN, 15},
      {AT_TRAMPLE, AF_TRAMPLE, 15}, AT_NO_ATK },
    17, 2805,
    16, 12, MST_SERPENT_OF_HELL_GEH, CE_NOCORPSE, S_LOUD_ROAR,
    I_HUMAN, HT_LAND, 14, DEFAULT_ENERGY,
    MONUSE_NOTHING, SIZE_GIANT, MON_SHAPE_QUADRUPED_WINGED,
    {TILEP_MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_GEHENNA}, TILE_ERROR
},

{
    MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_COCYTUS, 'D', ETC_ICE, "the Serpent of Hell",
    M_SEE_INVIS | M_UNIQUE | M_CRASH_DOORS | M_FLIES | M_TALL_TILE,
    MR_RES_POISON | mrd(MR_RES_COLD, 3),
    21, MONS_DRAGON, MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL, MH_DEMONIC, 180,
    { {AT_BITE, AF_COLD, 35}, {AT_CLAW, AF_PLAIN, 15},
      {AT_TRAMPLE, AF_TRAMPLE, 15}, AT_NO_ATK },
    17, 2805,
    20, 12, MST_SERPENT_OF_HELL_COC, CE_NOCORPSE, S_LOUD_ROAR,
    I_HUMAN, HT_LAND, 14, DEFAULT_ENERGY,
    MONUSE_NOTHING, SIZE_GIANT, MON_SHAPE_QUADRUPED_WINGED,
    {TILEP_MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_COCYTUS}, TILE_ERROR
},

{
    MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_DIS, 'D', ETC_IRON, "the Serpent of Hell",
    M_SEE_INVIS | M_UNIQUE | M_CRASH_DOORS | M_TALL_TILE,
    MR_RES_POISON | MR_RES_FIRE | MR_RES_COLD,
    16, MONS_DRAGON, MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL, MH_DEMONIC, 180,
    { {AT_BITE, AF_REACH, 35}, {AT_CLAW, AF_PLAIN, 25},
      {AT_TRAMPLE, AF_TRAMPLE, 25}, {AT_TAIL_SLAP, AF_PLAIN, 15} },
    17, 3230,
    30, 8, MST_SERPENT_OF_HELL_DIS, CE_NOCORPSE, S_LOUD_ROAR,
    I_HUMAN, HT_LAND, 14, DEFAULT_ENERGY,
    MONUSE_NOTHING, SIZE_GIANT, MON_SHAPE_QUADRUPED_WINGED,
    {TILEP_MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_DIS}, TILE_ERROR
},

{
    MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_TARTARUS, 'D', ETC_DEATH, "the Serpent of Hell",
    M_SEE_INVIS | M_UNIQUE | M_CRASH_DOORS | M_FLIES | M_TALL_TILE,
    MR_RES_POISON | mrd(MR_RES_COLD, 2),
    18, MONS_DRAGON, MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL, MH_DEMONIC, 180,
    { {AT_BITE, AF_DRAIN_XP, 35}, {AT_CLAW, AF_PLAIN, 15},
      {AT_TRAMPLE, AF_TRAMPLE, 15}, AT_NO_ATK },
    17, 3230,
    16, 12, MST_SERPENT_OF_HELL_TAR, CE_NOCORPSE, S_LOUD_ROAR,
    I_HUMAN, HT_LAND, 14, DEFAULT_ENERGY,
    MONUSE_NOTHING, SIZE_GIANT, MON_SHAPE_QUADRUPED_WINGED,
    {TILEP_MONS_SERPENT_OF_HELL_TARTARUS}, TILE_ERROR
}

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Post Wednesday, 9th August 2017, 18:30

Re: If Naga could grow

Could be ok if large size disallowed armor as usual (so it has the opposite effect on power curve).

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Post Friday, 11th August 2017, 08:35

Re: If Naga could grow

Really they just need to get level 1 constriction back so we can all go back to agreeing that mummies are the worst race, and nagas will have some small chance of surviving long enough for the rest of their bonuses to kick in (primarily armor through scales and finding a barding).

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Post Friday, 11th August 2017, 08:41

Re: If Naga could grow

tasonir wrote:nagas will have some small chance of surviving long enough


:) Did you miss thread about NaWn streaks?
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Post Friday, 11th August 2017, 09:29

Re: If Naga could grow

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
tasonir wrote:nagas will have some small chance of surviving long enough


:) Did you miss thread about NaWn streaks?


Probably he (either consciously or subconsciously) ignored it, because those nagas weren't with Chei :)
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Post Friday, 18th August 2017, 13:58

Re: If Naga could grow

I haven't been super active lately, but no I did see it, and I even took one for a spin myself. Died due to horrible teleports on D:8, after completely forgetting to use potion petition at all because who ever plays Gozag, amirightoramiright? But yeah, poison spit helps a ton for d:1-3, but the hard part for nagas is more around d:5-9 or so. The streakers are, of course, just very amazing players :)

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