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I know unarmed combat isn't supposed to be amazing, but still a viable option with enough investment... I do think a small feature to add is the ability to find or manually add offensive brands to gloves. maybe if it won't hurt balance then give a chance for unarmed fighters to disarm weapon-wielders to sweeten the deal(just don't make it the main attraction).

I was gonna recommend fist-weapons at first, but I think gloves with egos is good enough.

My whole point for this small topic is nothing much, but unarmed should be able to take advantage of offensive egos if need be, but shouldn't be the main source of there power.

No access to brands is one of the things which makes unarmed different from armed combat. I think that's a good thing.

Well, there are kind of brands for unarmed fighters when you learn transmutations:

• venom (spider form)
• freezing (ice form)
• claws + auxiliary attacks (dragon form)
• draining (lichform)

I wouldn't use lichform. But spider, ice and dragon form are good.


Did you ever ever fight in statue form with high UC skill with a troll / demonspawn + claws / octopode?

You'll get stone claws / stone tentacles. Enjoy!


Yes, tMut and especially UC eats a lot of XP, that's the downside.

For what it's worth, you can also cast Confusing Touch (Hexes spell) with some (not sure if all?) unarmed attacks.

Does someone suggest this idea with each new release, or more frequently than that?

UC does get pretty ridiculous with blade hands and/or statue form though. With an MfTm of Chei, I was able to one-shot golden dragons in statue form. Granted, statue form almost got me killed too, but it's hard to deny the power of it.

It gets brought up every now and then, but not too terribly often. A weapon slot item is a horrible idea and should probably be on the won't do list if it isn't, I wouldn't mind a glove ego that had some benefit to unarmed, but it's probably also unnecessary. There already exists offensive gloves - it's the unrand gauntlets of war, which in addition to having a +3 AC enchantment, have +5 slaying. Those are some serious punching gloves. We could add a slaying ego to gloves which gives something like +2 or +3, but then the unrand becomes less unique.

Overall, I'd change nothing, but there could be some reasonable options. Spiked gloves which count as a rank 1 claws mutation? You can't have claws 1 and gloves at the same time, so this gives you a secondary method of getting claws 1, for your lonely ghoul who wants to get the 3-4 ac from gloves.

maybe adding an unrand glove that gives vorpal to unarmed might be a cool little thing

What you're describing essentially exists, and it's called Gauntlets of War.