Is Chei OP now?


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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 16:05

Is Chei OP now?

Before the removal of Haste these spell and wand were the only reason for me to choose other god than Chei.

Now cheits outstand in damage-dealing capabilities great, because their inability to speed up doesn't matter any more.

So I cannot imagine any reason to choose somebody else now. What do you think about that?

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 16:41

Re: Is Chei OP now?

damn, did they remove trog, fedhas, kiku and ely too?

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 16:42

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Most other gods have better earlygame. If you play for winrate chei is still really bad, but if you're playing for turncount or something else then chei can be good.
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 16:46

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Try Fo of Chei with autoexplore to see why Chei is still bad.
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 16:55

Re: Is Chei OP now?

cerebovssquire wrote:damn, did they remove trog, fedhas, kiku and ely too?

I cannot understand, why Ely is in the list.

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 17:07

Re: Is Chei OP now?

ely is fantastic at "killing" any monster and makes it incredibly hard for you to die, why wouldn't ely be in the list? pacification can be used in more fights than slouch, and I feel much more vulnerable as a chei character than as a normal speed character with divine protection and practically infinite self-healing capabilities.

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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 17:12

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Lugonu is superior to Ely IMHO.
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 18:39

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Well having semi infinite healing, a kill now monster, a stronger semi infinite healing and, more hp and mp bonus and pseudo death door all packaged in one God is quite good
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 20:08

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Am I supposed to list Lugonu's abilities here? I'd rather have Banish when I meet first ogre or ugly thing. Divine blink is awesome for escape, especially as Fo. Corrupt is a combo of "kill'em all" and "forget about me" buttons. Even distortion brand is great for many characters.
Lugonu does not require as high investment in Invocations so it becomes powerful earlier and allows to be a hybrid easily.
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 20:23

Re: Is Chei OP now?

Never said lucy isn't good
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Post Friday, 27th January 2017, 20:34

Re: Is Chei OP now?

non-AK players are usually presented with the decision to choose between chei and ely more often than the decision to choose between chei and lugonu

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Post Saturday, 28th January 2017, 01:20

Re: Is Chei OP now?

im not even sure if chei is better than xom over the course of a full game. tele wand removal also hurts chei (was the most common earlier wand imo), as do zot tele changes/disint change

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Post Wednesday, 1st February 2017, 20:54

Re: Is Chei OP now?

I'm somewhat behind on trunk - what changed with zot tele/disint? As far as the tele wand removal in general, I don't think it's too much of a problem as I usually end games with 10-20 teleport scrolls, although I suppose that will depend on how often you need to use one. Maybe I'd have less scrolls if I didn't use the wand, I'm not sure how many times I zapped teleport in those games...

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Post Thursday, 2nd February 2017, 07:16

Re: Is Chei OP now?

There are only two OP gods. Trog, Okawaru.

But I rate Chei at high tier, because if you play hybrid and once get piety 5*~6* your character becomes pretty damn killing machine.
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Post Thursday, 2nd February 2017, 19:44

Re: Is Chei OP now?

While it's of course subject to popularity as well as power, I find the tournament rankings to be a pretty decent way to rate gods. Okawaru barely edged out Trog, but they're basically tied for #1, then makhleb, then gozag. Chei and Vehumet were tied for 5th, Ru gets an honorable 6th, and I'm not going to list the rest after that. Jiyva, while awesome, can't be rated this way because of course how hard is it to find her.

So chei is a top 1/3 god? Seems fair enough to me.
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Post Thursday, 2nd February 2017, 20:14

Re: Is Chei OP now?

tasonir wrote:I'm somewhat behind on trunk - what changed with zot tele/disint? As far as the tele wand removal in general, I don't think it's too much of a problem as I usually end games with 10-20 teleport scrolls, although I suppose that will depend on how often you need to use one. Maybe I'd have less scrolls if I didn't use the wand, I'm not sure how many times I zapped teleport in those games...


disintegration is now a pure dmg wand. so killholing only possible with digging/OOD

zot tele changes are: no PoG,cblink,blink scrolls - delayed teleport - in all zot 1-5. also increased vault density probably. i had my first ever zot5 death in 0.19 i think
sure step from time also helps but in general translocs were easy to get with him

and my point is just that chei is just so megabad in early and midgame (also the tele wand you might find there and which carried), that xom "might" be easier.. not 100% serious but for some species this might be true (those which struggle in that part by themselves)
not talking about endgame but chars dont need a god at that point

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Post Friday, 3rd February 2017, 00:17

Re: Is Chei OP now?

I didn't felt Chei is hard in "midgame" in my experience..
You have tele scrolls instead of tele wands anyway.
If you put small XPs on stealth you can easily continuously lure small portion of enemies at single fight.
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Post Friday, 3rd February 2017, 02:45

Re: Is Chei OP now?

no.
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