I created the biggest tavern meme of 2016, AMA


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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 01:53

I created the biggest tavern meme of 2016, AMA

lol i wouldnt talk 2 u, just read my commit message again

gammafunk wrote:High elves were a relatively uninteresting species in terms of gameplay,
feeling somewhat like tengu but with weapon specialization like merfolk.
Their theme originates from Tolkien, a source of lore that crawl is
trying to borrow less from these days. Their gorgeous blonde hair not
withstanding, this particular Tolkien reference wasn't particularly
interesting.

[Especially with Ogres now also having newly-improved casting apts, there's a
very wide range of hybrid/magic-oriented species, with High Elves being
increasingly redundant. -MarvinPA]

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 01:57

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He who memes last memes hardest

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That's not proud of
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/papilio.html

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 02:46

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Try removing DESu then we'll talk

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 03:44

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I'm still ticked off HE's got removed before Merfolk.

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 03:48

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Remove this thread

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 04:36

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Implojin wrote:Try removing DESu then we'll talk


Can you speedrun a DESu with new Sif Muna? I haven't tried but from the looks of it I'd say "lol, no". And he's the author of the commit that changed Sif, so, in a sense...

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 10:48

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gammafunk wrote:Look at me! Look how clever I am! I made up a meme, lol!

And this guy seriously has access to the development.

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 13:27

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GF, I'm not sure if you understand the context in which that particular meme has been used lately.
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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 13:46

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pedritolo wrote:GF, I'm not sure if you understand the context in which that particular meme has been used lately.


Context is a relatively uninteresting subject in terms of definition,
feeling somewhat like subtext but existing within a wider medium, like hypertext.
Its theme originates from literary theory, a source of lore that crawl is
trying to borrow less from these days. Its gorgeous richness not
withstanding, this particular literature theory reference wasn't particularly
interesting.

[Especially with hypertexts now also having newly-improved linking, there's a
very wide range of hybrid/intertextuality-oriented texts, with context being
increasingly redundant. -Magnum PA]
I Feel the Need--the Need for Beer
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3DSBeTr 15DSFiRu 3DSMoNe 3FoHuGo 3TrArOk 3HOFEVe 3MfGlOk 4GrEEVe 3BaIEChei 3HuMoOka 3MiWnQaz 3VSFiAsh 3DrTmMakh 3DSCKXom 3OgMoOka 3NaFiOka 3FoFiOka 3MuFEVeh 3CeHuOka 3TrMoTSO 3DEFESif 3DSMoOka 3DSFiOka

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 14:23

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asdu wrote:Can you speedrun a DESu with new Sif Muna? I haven't tried but from the looks of it I'd say "lol, no". And he's the author of the commit that changed Sif, so, in a sense...

Of course you can. Although I wouldn't claim you could necessarily beat Sapher's old NaWz, less than 30k turns for 15 runes should definitely be possible. Divine energy gives you less MP per turn than old sif channel at various levels of invo, but you also have access to the piety-costed Channel Energy. Additionally you have no MP cap compared to those older versions, faith amulet for more Channel Energy and MP regen amulet for more MP, and you could use sublim+regen like PurpleRed has done for his DE^Veh. I'd like to return to doing those attempts at some point.

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pedritolo wrote:GF, I'm not sure if you understand the context in which that particular meme has been used lately.

You're just new to the Tavern posting experience. It's all about reading all the rants, the snarky replies to rants, the crazy non-sequiturs, the bizarre consipiracy theories etc; that's half of the fun of Tavern. Interspersed with all that is some occasional good analysis (and not always just by duvessa, crate, or some other forum regular). Sadly HE removal hasn't generated any great tavern insight, nor do really expect it to, but hey you never know.

So it's time for a few more of gammafunk's greatest commit messages.
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Deep and powerful Lehudib lore, currently seen only if you read the des (or this commit):
gammafunk wrote: A new wizlab: Lehudib's Moon Base

Lehudib, whose famous writings on earth magic left few personal details,
is said to have studied the power of magical crystal with single-minded
devotion and in the most distant location imaginable. After traveling to
some forgotten Moon and carving a fortress into its very surface, the
wizard somehow convinced the bizarre surface creatures there to stand
guard. Who can say what other knowledge this self-described Lunar Mage
learned in such isolation? Adventurers who manage to reach the remote
Moon Base of Lehudib may indeed find powers beyond their comprehension.

Jump attack was the first complicated thing I implemented. The initial version that never made it to trunk was even ridiculously more complicated, featuring double-targetting so you could choose the target *and* the landing site...and did damage in a path...and had a cblink like effect. The version that went in was greatly simplified, yet still a bad design.
gammafunk wrote: Remove jump-attack

The ability never worked particularly well in its original form. Its
original intent was to combine attacking and translocation, but
because it ended up being a low-level ability, the attack become only
a tool to ensure the repositioning wasn't brokenly powerful rather
than a meaningful thing by itself. This was particularly true for
stabbing, which had to be disabled in jump-attack so that it didn't
break stealth. Boots of jumping never saw much use, and while there
are a few fans of felid jumping, that species already has tremendously
good positioning ability.

The shadow-step ability with Dithmenos uses the core jump-attack
targeting code and is similar to jump-attack in many ways. So fans of
jump-attack can worship Dith to get an ability that works better in
general because of shadow-step's very specific (and non-annoying)
targeting restrictions, its better range, and its not having awkward
compromises from trying to combine attack with movement on a ability
requiring no investment.

Despite the shared code with shadow-step, a lot of the code most in
need of refactoring was simply removed, including the interactions
with melee-attack. I enjoyed coding jump-attack back when I was
learning the codebase, especially finally figuring out the difficult
direction UI code. But now that the feature has evolved into something
better, I'm happy to see all this code and bad gameplay go the way of
item destruction. rip in peace.

Two of the all-time great removals: item destruction and player burden. These were heady days.
gammafunk wrote: Destroy item destruction

Now that inventory weight and player burden states are gone, item
destruction doesn't serve one purpose it clearly accomplished: help
prevent the player from being at or next to burden capacity at all
times. Outright destruction of strategic consumables encourages more
needless inventory management, so we'd like to exclude these from any
form of destruction and possibly prevent them from taking up inventory
space at all. Denial of tactical consumables, either temporarily or
permanently, is something we're going to look into later on, possibly
in the release after next, since it can create interesting and
generally not frustrating gameplay if done correctly. Needless to say,
item destruction wasn't a player favorite and may have a sparsely
attended funeral. RIP in peace.

For now we aren't adjusting the rate of consumable generation to
compensate for no item destruction, but that balancing will happen
after play-testing shows how much adjustment is necessary.

gammafunk wrote: Remove player burden and carrying capacity

Item inventory weights (based on item mass) generally don't lead to
meaningful decisions that justify the inventory juggling and interface
problems that come from having burden states. The 52-slot limit is a
better system for limiting inventory and providing inventory-related
decisions because it's not so fine-grained and doesn't require the
player to examine weights for each slot. Work is ongoing to improve
the slot system by consolidating food types and handling strategic
consumables in a different way.

My second commit ever, and before I was a dev. When trying to remove all vestiges of the unique "Pan" was a meme, because it was really easy to confuse this unique with the branch. MarvinPA was not amused by this commit, but kilobyte liked it!
gammafunk wrote: Purge all of Pan from our midst

Our dear brother Sir Kilobyte fought long and true to remove all of the demonic
realm...but he did not strike the finishing blow! Pan lives on, biding its
time, hiding in forgotten reaches of our Holy Tree. We must truly Remove All of
Pan, lest this unholy menace rise up to destroy us all. In the name of The
Shining One, I cast you out, unclean spirit!

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 15:53

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I guess some of your commits are better than others.

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 16:41

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I wish i was a dev so i could create memes by just messing around with current game features. Why dont you get down from your horse to the same playfield everybody else.
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You are just new to gammafunks dev experience. He is not about adding something new or improving present. Sadly, he is about removing from crawl things people like and making stupid puns.
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Elf lover wrote:You are just new to gammafunks dev experience. He is not about adding something new...

But he added this fucking meme, lol!

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 18:51

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gammafunk wrote:Work is ongoing to improve
the slot system by consolidating food types and handling strategic
consumables in a different way.

So, how is the work going?

And the great removals were great.

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 19:16

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gfgf45550 wrote:
gammafunk wrote:Look at me! Look how clever I am! I made up a meme, lol!

And this guy seriously has access to the development.



Gammafunk, could you please develop an irc bot much like the listgame query bots, except for tavern posts instead of crawl games?

Example queries:

  Code:
!lp dpeg
3567. dpeg wrote "kimnosuk: This forum is tilted towards negativity, unfortunately. Don't worry about this, it's a great achievement, and also so much flavour :) Keep it up!"


  Code:
!lp duvessa good|!sarcastic
No posts for duvessa (good|!sarcastic).


etc

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Post Friday, 16th December 2016, 19:37

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Could, but no one would agree on those kw. Like your query is wrong, since there are lots of good duvessa posts that aren't sarcastic. See? Right from your example, we have a problem. Also it'd probably just end up being used for harassment (which learnDB already has a problem with). And let's keep it 100% here; how many people are will want to read more of tavern than they already do?

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stickyfingers wrote:
gammafunk wrote:Work is ongoing to improve
the slot system by consolidating food types and handling strategic
consumables in a different way.

So, how is the work going?

And the great removals were great.


Yeah, strategic inventory was something we've wanted, but it is tricky due to the code involved and getting the right UI (which has to work equally well across Tiles, WebTiles, console). Food consolidation has happened, and there are some big plans related to ~FOOD~ which Lasty has sketched out for upcoming versions. See his message on CRD if you want details, and of course no promises it's going to happen this version (or in any version). And don't worry, there will be many more great removals (and great additions) to come!

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Elf lover wrote:You are just new to gammafunks dev experience. He is not about adding something new or improving present. Sadly, he is about removing from crawl things people like and making stupid puns.
you're wrong in both a literal sense and a more broad tonal sense in implying he's only involved in removing good things. or do you think player burden and item destruction were actually good?

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Yes gammafunk, you created the biggest tavern meme of 2016. But at what cost?

Dankness comes at a price.

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gammafunk i'm happy you owned people so hard
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I`m gonna tell a story for a little bit. I`ll tell the whole story, but only a little bit of it. because of my dating life i hear alot of rumors & gossip about vid games especially dc:ss and so i got my only high elf victory online (no one believes me but i won a DD offline that week too) before they got deleted from crawl, all 20 code lines of it gone. everybody forgets these things really quickly though. i remember when gammafunk & pleasingfungis removed racial items in 0.18 but do you? of course not, even though some of you were really mad that elfish curare needles were no longer in the game, or back in 0.17 when dpeg took out enchanted throwing weapons and wrote ten paragraphs about how this increased choices? of course not, even though some of you were really mad that +3 elfish curare needles were no longer in the game.i got peeved out my +9 large rocks were gone but then i forgot all about it. i mean, !!!!! i forgot all about it!!!! is what i mean.
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Btw, AMA? What's the M for?

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neverEnough wrote:Btw, AMA? What's the M for?


Rated "M" for Money. Ka-ching!

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It's actually for gaMmafunk, the ga is silent

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ZipZipskins wrote:It's actually for gaMmafunk, the ga is silent


Glad it's not Another Mofo Asking :-D
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it's "ask me anything"
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you created the second biggest tavern meme of 2016. I'm still the biggest one

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duvessa wrote:you created the second biggest tavern meme of 2016. I'm still the biggest one

Your parents must be really proud of themselves.
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dynast wrote:
duvessa wrote:you created the second biggest tavern meme of 2016. I'm still the biggest one

Your parents must be really proud of themselves.


Fuck i missclicked and thanked. In fact i was going to quote and say:

Aren't urs proud u killed the discussion?

:roll:

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You know you can click on "thank" button again and unthank, don't you?
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Still so damn noob :oops:

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Can one of you oldbies explain whether this is unprecedented levels of DCSS tavern circlejerking and in jokes or was I just fortunate enough to have missed the last peak in the cycle
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this is an unusual amount, because people got salty
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VeryAngryFelid wrote:You know you can click on "thank" button again and unthank, don't you?

Sorry, I accidentally thanked to your message.

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Shard1697 wrote:this is an unusual amount, because people got salty


for historical context though, this isn't quite on the level of the great MD Storm of '12
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Arrhythmia wrote:
Shard1697 wrote:this is an unusual amount, because people got salty


for historical context though, this isn't quite on the level of the great MD Storm of '12

MD was a melee dude with a slight buff to fire apts that were given to Hill Orc.
High Elf was a semi-challenge race with that filled several nuances and niches that was removed for the meme.
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Post Thursday, 22nd December 2016, 10:44

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neverEnough wrote:Aren't urs proud u killed the discussion?

:roll:

No, i take credit for that.
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dynast wrote:
neverEnough wrote:Aren't urs proud u killed the discussion?

:roll:

No, i take credit for that.


So i was right just as duvessa.

http://xkcd.com/1773/

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Post Thursday, 22nd December 2016, 15:57

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"your parents created you."

That was my joke, just to clarify.
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