Irrational Venting ITT

[Floodkiller]

Malmutate is a blight upon Crawl, and I consider it worse than food because at least the food system is just annoying. The only way it wouldn't be the worst system is if item destruction was added back in, and even then it would depend on if you brought it back with or without conservation. If removing it (or the permanent side of it) makes the rest of the mutation system unbalanced, then I would prefer the whole arm is cut off to fix the cancerous growth that is Malmutate.

I am angry.
ANGRY ABOUT MALMUTATE.

[VeryAngryFelid]

And the worst thing is that nothing can be done except replacing annoyance of mutations with annoyance of recasting Necromutation. Removal of rMut was a very bad change.

FR: Combine rMut and Harm into a single amulet.

[VeryAngryFelid]

Previously I was excited to get potions of beneficial mutations. Now I just think "Ok, that will be another 3 rune win, I am not going to lose those amazing mutations in extended".

[luckless]

serious question: what if malmutate just gave you contamination instead? that way you'd have at least have a chance to quaff a potion of cancellation and avert it.

[VeryAngryFelid]

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86621 | Zot:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot
 86699 | Zot:1    | Noticed an orb of fire
 86699 | Zot:1    | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [an orb of fire]
 86699 | Zot:1    | Gained mutation: You are frail. (-10% HP) [an orb of fire]

Isn't it beautiful? 2 worst possible mutations during the same turn when orb of fire came into view.

[Shard1697]

I don't think scroll mutation is actually very bad. At least not for the first rank.

[VeryAngryFelid]

I don't think scroll mutation is actually very bad. At least not for the first rank.

I had no idea what exactly it does before I read wiki 3 minutes ago (http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Blurry_Vision).
Compare "It takes you a little longer to read scrolls." to "15 auts to read books or scrolls. Worse detection of nonadjacent traps.".
I guess displaying the number in game would lead to decision paralysis (sarcasm of course).

[HardboiledGargoyle]

main downside is that the delay of 15 auts happens first, during which monsters can act; then the scroll effect takes place

whereas normally, the scroll effect takes place immediately, and then monsters get to act for 10 auts

trivia: you can scroll-blink into a monster's view, and this will never alert it, if it was out of your LOS while you were reading and you had blurry vision

[Implojin]

So the same as every other tavern thread, then

[Rast]

main downside is that the delay of 15 auts happens first, during which monsters can act; then the scroll effect takes place

whereas normally, the scroll effect takes place immediately, and then monsters get to act for 10 auts

trivia: you can scroll-blink into a monster's view, and this will never alert it, if it was out of your LOS while you were reading and you had blurry vision

FR: reading blink with blurry vision should give the monsters 5 aut to act, then move you, then 10 aut more for monsters to act.

[kroki]

most of bad mutations are harmless though, while most of good mutations dont mean jackshit. theres enough cure mut potions to clear any frail, teleportitis or slow reading muts, and you if you lose that rC+ or +2 str along with it its not a big deal.

[Sprucery]

theres enough cure mut potions to clear any frail, teleportitis or slow reading muts,

Usually, sure, but there are no guaranteed cure mut potions in the game. And if you clear those muts, there can be another OoF around the next corner to give them back.

Having said that, personally I don't think that malmutate in a 3-rune game is currently a problem.

[ZipZipskins]

It's only a problem in that it's obnoxious to get malmutated, and if we're removing everything obnoxious from crawl we'll be here a while

[Rast]

oof malmutate is fine.

The problem is necq malmuatate, since they can't do any real damage, and they generally get summoned by creatures that (past a certain point) aren't a thread either. so you have popcorn summoning popcorn that will most likely do nothing to you, but has small % chance of strategically crippling you for possibly the rest of the game.

FR: give necq the xp-gated malmutate, but only one at a time, but several times longer lasting. Also make them hit a little harder in combat or do something else interesting. perhaps merge them with chaos spawn.

[duvessa]

i had a dream last night that all the uniques in crawl were lesbians and then i woke up and they aren't lesbians and now i'm mad

[jwoodward48ss]

How do you know that they aren't?

[duvessa]

How do you know that they aren't?

well if everyone in crawl were lesbians then crawl would be pretty much perfect, and crawl isn't pretty much perfect, so by transposition i can conclude that not all uniques are lesbians

[jwoodward48ss]

How do you know that crawl isn't pretty much perfect, though?

[duvessa]

it doesn't have enough lesbians