Are hot dogs sandwiches?

[Arrhythmia]

The question that's sweeping the nation, are hot dogs sandwiches? Keep in mind: a hot dog is at the least a piece of meat between two slices of bread.

[Hellmonk]

A hot dog (also spelled hotdog) is a cooked sausage, traditionally grilled or steamed and served in a sliced bun as a sandwich. Just ask wikipedia next time, op. It has all the answers you need.

[Sar]

Everyone can edit wikipedia to match their agenda, though.

[pubby]

It's a sandwich if the bun is split into 2 pieces but a taco otherwise.

[Arrhythmia]

Everyone can edit wikipedia to match their agenda, though.

everyone knows jimbo wales is in the pocket of big hot dog....... check out infowars dot com.... fly away troll!!

[pubby]

The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".

what the hell is wrong with people

[scorpionwarrior]

Everyone can edit wikipedia to match their agenda, though.

I checked conservapedia's entry on "hot dog" and those morons put ketchup as the first condiment

The question is moot because kolaches are obvs superior

[Sar]

what the hell is wrong with people

u wot m8

[scorpionwarrior]

The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".

what the hell is wrong with people

cultures are weird, man. Thanks though because this finally explains one of my dad's obsessions ("It has bread, gotta have butter") :)

[luckless]

No. The hot dog is a member of the same genus as the burrito, the taco, and the gyro. In order for a combination of sliced bread and filling to constitute a sandwich, it is necessary that the slices of bread remain parallel to each other--such that the object in its entirety can lie flat--rather than conform to the shape of the filling (as the hotdog bun conforms to the shape of the sausage).

I think there was something in Aristotle about this.

[dowan]

Actually, the sumerians figured this out years ago.

1. A hot dog is just the sausage, so by itself it is certainly not a sandwich.
2. A hot dog in a hot dog roll is still called just a hot dog, and is its own thing, and thus not a sandwich
3. A hot dog in a folded piece of bread is a sandwich, in the same way a "submarine sandwich" is a sandwich.

While these rules may seem quite arbitrary, the ghosts of the mightiest sumarian warriors will defend them for eternity.

[Shtopit]

"Hot dog" is masculine, "Sandwich" is feminine.

[ZipZipskins]

Are you joking, gyro meat served in a pita is a sandwich. It's called a gyro sandwich for crying out shit.

[luckless]

look, I'm sure you can find someone who CALLS a gyro a "gyro sandwich." I bet you can even find someone who calls two slices of pizza slapped facedown together a pizza sandwich. that doesn't make it right.

I mean, there are MANY things that are called sandwiches and yet are in no sense sandwiches. (of these, many are kinda NSFW but imo that's instructive.)

[VeryAngryFelid]

offtopic

I was surprised when I saw "grinder" in a menu for the first time since I knew the word from crawl only.
American/Mexican terms are hard for foreigners with all those sandwiches, burgers, hoagies, wraps, gyros, burritos, tacos, quesadillas and triple-decks

[Shtopit]

look, I'm sure you can find someone who CALLS a gyro a "gyro sandwich." I bet you can even find someone who calls two slices of pizza slapped facedown together a pizza sandwich. that doesn't make it right.

I mean, there are MANY things that are called sandwiches and yet are in no sense sandwiches. (of these, many are kinda NSFW but imo that's instructive.)

Like islands. Or Earls.

[Arrhythmia]

i have it on good word from archaeo that this question NEEDS to be answered, and the losing side will all be banned.

good luck!

[Shtopit]

offtopic

I was surprised when I saw "grinder" in a menu for the first time since I knew the word from crawl only.
American/Mexican terms are hard for foreigners with all those sandwiches, burgers, hoagies, wraps, gyros, burritos, tacos, quesadillas and triple-decks

I guess you don't listen to Meshuggah,

During this period, Thordendal, who was working as a carpenter, severed the tip of his left middle finger, while Haake injured his hand in a grinder accident.[2][11] As a result, the band was unable to perform for several months. Thordendal's fingertip was later reattached, and he went on to make a full recovery.[4] The Selfcaged EP was recorded in April and May 1994, but its release was delayed to later in 1995 due to the accidents.[2][4]

[Shard1697]

no, op

hot dogs, sandwiches, tacos, burritos, all that shit, they're all their own distinct things and do not overlap.

[Shard1697]

if a man handed me a hot dog and said "here's your burrito" I would throw it in his fucking face

[Shard1697]

Are you joking, gyro meat served in a pita is a sandwich. It's called a gyro sandwich for crying out shit.

no, it's not called a "gyro sandwich", it's called a "gyro"

[ZipZipskins]

Are you joking, gyro meat served in a pita is a sandwich. It's called a gyro sandwich for crying out shit.

no, it's not called a "gyro sandwich", it's called a "gyro"

I'm vomiting

[CypherZel]

The word "butty" (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches) is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich", particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty, though some people make the distinction that a butty is made using a single buttered slice, folded over rather than cut. "Sarnie" is a similar colloquialism. Likewise, the words "sanger" and "piece" are used for sandwich in Scottish dialect; regarding the latter, an example of the use of "piece" is "piece and ham", meaning "piece of bread and ham".

what the hell is wrong with people

Best shut the fuck up about gods own country you git

[Siegurt]

This man says that tacos are in fact a type of sandwitch (as are hot dogs on buns, gyros etc)

He works for the food network though, so he might have his own agenda:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/sandwich-king.html

[Shard1697]

he's wrong and a bad person

[Shtopit]

I wonder if he would call castanets "a sandwich of wood and music, to be held in one hand".

Also, we need a sandwitch vault in shoals. Its denizens attempt to kill you by squeezing you between sand walls.

Also, he's playing with your minds because his name sounds like "Chef Mauro" but is actually Jeff Mauro.

[Veras]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Define 'cutting planes' as the set of geometric planes that pass through the unit under question that divide the unit into natural subsections, such as slices or halves, for serving.
For sub sandwiches and hot dogs, the cutting planes would run along the length of the unit (translations along the secondary axis), whereas for regular sandwich types, pies, or pizzas, the cutting planes would run radially around the unit, passing through the center (rotations about the primary axis).

Define the 'primary axis' as a line which is parallel to each cutting plane. Additionally, the primary axis or some translation of the primary axis along the secondary axis must be contained in each cutting plane.
Most primary axes will be downward ('into' if viewing from above) and straight through the center. This may not be true for some types, like a hardshell taco, which sits upright perpendicular to its primary axis (which is through both sides of the shell).

Define the 'secondary axis' as a line perpendicular to and intersecting the primary axis. Its orientation matters only for things like subs which have cutting planes that are translations along the secondary axis. For pizzas or pies or other types cut radially, there is no distinction between the secondary and tertiary axis. Note that the position of the secondary axis along the primary axis is not specifically defined, rather it is set as needed for fulfilling condition 2 of the following sandwich definition.
The secondary axis of a hot dog is straight through the meat. The orientation of the secondary axis for a hamburger is through the meat at any angle.

Define the 'tertiary axis' as a line perpendicular to both the primary and secondary axes, and intersecting both. Once the other two are defined this one is easy to grasp, as there is only one line it could be. Note that the height of the tertiary axis is necessarily linked to the secondary axis' height.

Define 'bread' as an edible foodstuff which is generally used to make holding or containing the filling easier. It will usually be a wheat or other starch product, but this is not necessarily true. Do not confuse this term with the dictionary definition of bread.

Define 'filling' as a set of edible things, each of which cannot be the same substance as the bread in any given case. The set may contain meat, lettuce, and cheese, for example.

Now, with the definitions out of the way, we can get to the theory:

Something is a sandwich if it satisfies either of these two conditions:
1. The primary axis passes through bread-filling-bread (it may pass through filling-bread-filling-bread, etc. so long as it passes through that combination anywhere).
2. The secondary axis passes through only filling, and the tertiary axis passes through bread-filling-bread. Note that the height of the secondary axis is not set, as previously mentioned. So long as any possible height of the secondary axis along the primary axis works, this condition is satisfied.

And here are some examples:

A traditional sandwich is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A wrap is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A calzone is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A hot dog is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A hard-shell taco is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A pizza is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open (no crust on top) pie is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A regular (non-filled) doughnut is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open-face sandwich is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A closed (crust on top) pie is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A filled doughnut is a sandwich (by condition 1)
Cake with at least one layer of embedded frosting is a sandwich (by condition 1)

Admittedly, it attempts to be axiomatic but some of the examples at the end can be hard to stomach. So maybe the ruleset is in need of further work.

[CanOfWorms]

it's a common misconception. a hot dog is actually a fruit

[scorpionwarrior]

if it has meat and bread and it's portable and the restaurant calls it a sandwich then its a freakin sandwich you god damned nerds :p

Next time I eat a cornish pasty I will briefly consider whether it counts as a sandwich, then remember that I don't give a shit because playing Definition Police about sandwiches is a complete waste of time

[Veras]

It's an exceedingly pervasive waste of time, and while the subject matter is a bit silly, make no mistake that some people take it very seriously - an apt description of crawl as well

[Croases]

A hot dog is a kind of tapeworm that evolved to resemble an edible object so that it can easily gain access to human intestines, where it reproduces.

After you eat a hot dog, its eggs will hatch in your digestive system and 2-3 weeks later the baby hot dogs will crawl out of your anus, place themselves on any conveniently located kitchen table, and wait to be eaten in order to repeat their life cycle.

[Cheibrodos]

is anything anything?

[duvessa]

A hot dog is a kind of tapeworm that evolved to resemble an edible object so that it can easily gain access to human intestines, where it reproduces.

After you eat a hot dog, its eggs will hatch in your digestive system and 2-3 weeks later the baby hot dogs will crawl out of your anus, place themselves on any conveniently located kitchen table, and wait to be eaten in order to repeat their life cycle.

this sounds like an SCP description

[Siegurt]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Define 'cutting planes' as the set of geometric planes that pass through the unit under question that divide the unit into natural subsections, such as slices or halves, for serving.
For sub sandwiches and hot dogs, the cutting planes would run along the length of the unit (translations along the secondary axis), whereas for regular sandwich types, pies, or pizzas, the cutting planes would run radially around the unit, passing through the center (rotations about the primary axis).

Define the 'primary axis' as a line which is parallel to each cutting plane. Additionally, the primary axis or some translation of the primary axis along the secondary axis must be contained in each cutting plane.
Most primary axes will be downward ('into' if viewing from above) and straight through the center. This may not be true for some types, like a hardshell taco, which sits upright perpendicular to its primary axis (which is through both sides of the shell).

Define the 'secondary axis' as a line perpendicular to and intersecting the primary axis. Its orientation matters only for things like subs which have cutting planes that are translations along the secondary axis. For pizzas or pies or other types cut radially, there is no distinction between the secondary and tertiary axis. Note that the position of the secondary axis along the primary axis is not specifically defined, rather it is set as needed for fulfilling condition 2 of the following sandwich definition.
The secondary axis of a hot dog is straight through the meat. The orientation of the secondary axis for a hamburger is through the meat at any angle.

Define the 'tertiary axis' as a line perpendicular to both the primary and secondary axes, and intersecting both. Once the other two are defined this one is easy to grasp, as there is only one line it could be. Note that the height of the tertiary axis is necessarily linked to the secondary axis' height.

Define 'bread' as an edible foodstuff which is generally used to make holding or containing the filling easier. It will usually be a wheat or other starch product, but this is not necessarily true. Do not confuse this term with the dictionary definition of bread.

Define 'filling' as a set of edible things, each of which cannot be the same substance as the bread in any given case. The set may contain meat, lettuce, and cheese, for example.

Now, with the definitions out of the way, we can get to the theory:

Something is a sandwich if it satisfies either of these two conditions:
1. The primary axis passes through bread-filling-bread (it may pass through filling-bread-filling-bread, etc. so long as it passes through that combination anywhere).
2. The secondary axis passes through only filling, and the tertiary axis passes through bread-filling-bread. Note that the height of the secondary axis is not set, as previously mentioned. So long as any possible height of the secondary axis along the primary axis works, this condition is satisfied.

And here are some examples:

A traditional sandwich is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A wrap is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A calzone is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A hot dog is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A hard-shell taco is a sandwich (by condition 2)
A pizza is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open (no crust on top) pie is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A regular (non-filled) doughnut is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
An open-face sandwich is not a sandwich (fails both conditions)
A closed (crust on top) pie is a sandwich (by condition 1)
A filled doughnut is a sandwich (by condition 1)
Cake with at least one layer of embedded frosting is a sandwich (by condition 1)

Admittedly, it attempts to be axiomatic but some of the examples at the end can be hard to stomach. So maybe the ruleset is in need of further work.

I consider any definition by which cake is considered a sandwich axiomatically correct.

https://youtu.be/8TxHp5UvzYw

[n1000]

yes

[Shtopit]

BTW what is this?
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=58A21CBB

[Shard1697]

a mistake

[phloomp]

Compare

• "BLT sandwich": It sounds redundant, but you would not interpret it as anything other than a BLT
• "Hotdog sandwich"" You know exactly what this means, and it is not a standard-configuration hotdog

Ergo, a hotdog is not a sandwich.

Obviously a hotdog is not a sandwich, and there is absolutely nothing else to say about this question or about what it would mean to answer it.

[ZipZipskins]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school

[Arrhythmia]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school

if he's saying shit like cakes are sandwiches than i can take a fucking guess

[Siegurt]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school

if he's saying shit like cakes are sandwiches than i can take a fucking guess

I explained that per this theory, Cakes are in fact "frosting sandwiches" to my wife, she approved, so I'm satisfied from my limited polling that this is correct (within the margin of error of this particular poll)

[luckless]

Wrote this theory up a while ago. There are a few assumptions that I would address more directly if I were to rewrite it.

Wow that's an incredible amount of effort for fuck-all, have you been to or considered graduate school

if he's saying shit like cakes are sandwiches than i can take a fucking guess

the really depressing thing for me is that I have been to graduate school and now my life is basically made up entirely of conversations where half of the people give answers like Veras's and the other half give answers like phloomp's and each half thinks the other half is just spouting pseudo-profound nonsense that wastes everybody's time.

maybe that's why I love this thread so much.

[Shtopit]

Look, a sandwich!

[Veras]

Compare

• "BLT sandwich": It sounds redundant, but you would not interpret it as anything other than a BLT
• "Hotdog sandwich"" You know exactly what this means, and it is not a standard-configuration hotdog

Ergo, a hotdog is not a sandwich.

Obviously a hotdog is not a sandwich, and there is absolutely nothing else to say about this question or about what it would mean to answer it.

I don't think anyone could disagree with the notion that the sausage/weiner/frank alone can't be considered a sandwich, but that is not the meat of the issue, so to speak. The subject of discussion is the 'hotdog sandwich' in your parlance, which despite the linguistic cues has not had its sandwich-hood decided upon. Most use the phrase 'hot dog' as synecdoche for 'hot dog sandwich' in the first place, so this qualification shouldn't seem unreasonable.

[phloomp]

Your argument doesn't address the [I]difference [\i]between "BLT sandwich" and "hotdog sandwich". BLT is synecdoche as well.

[Veras]

Your argument doesn't address the [I]difference [\i]between "BLT sandwich" and "hotdog sandwich". BLT is synecdoche as well.

I didn't address it since I don't think it adds anything. Yes, 'hot dog' refers to two things ('frank/weiner/sausage' and 'hot dog sandwich') whereas 'BLT' refers to one thing only ('BLT sandwich'), but the subject of the question 'Are hot dogs sandwiches?' usually addresses 'hot dog sandwich' - or if you think it doesn't, we should change our conversation since that is a much more interesting one!

[Shard1697]

if anyone told me irl that a wrap, calzone, hot dog, taco, pie or cake is a sandwich I would kick them in the balls on the spot

[ZipZipskins]

if anyone told me irl that a wrap, calzone, hot dog, taco, pie or cake is a sandwich I would kick them in the balls on the spot

You sound like fun at parties

[Greyr]

I consider hot dogs to be in the same family as hamburgers.

[duvessa]

Here's the thing. You said a "hot dog is a hamburger."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.