degeneration rework

[shutyourtrap]

!degen could actually be made interesting by simply making the player quaff every potion stack if quaff ID'd resulting in a pseudo paralysis depending on number with matching Tomb-tier drain and potentially sending you to 0 stat.

[VeryAngryFelid]

Unavoidable deaths are not interesting to many players IMHO.

[Shard1697]

Degeneration could have a bit more to it though, because right now it generally doesn't matter.

[Sprucery]

Since the devs don't want to give MR+ to !resist, how about giving it to !degen? Maybe increase the stat rot to compensate. This would make the potion occasionally useful, but with a downside, like some other potions.

[VeryAngryFelid]

+MR, Slow and 50% damage the player deals. So it can be useful for teleporting away from banishers/paralyzers when you are not ready yet but can easily kill you if you quaffid-ed it in danger (unless you had Sigmund/Grinder where it still can be useful).

[shutyourtrap]

Unavoidable deaths are not interesting to many players IMHO.

degens do not reduce your hp at all making death due to solely quaffing it simply impossible

[Hellmonk]

Degen rework: remove degen

[VeryAngryFelid]

degens do not reduce your hp at all making death due to solely quaffing it simply impossible

You mentioned "pseudo paralysis" and paralysis leads to unavoidable deaths easily.

[Rast]

!quaff ID'd resulting in a pseudo paralysis

Such as, perhaps, the inability to move and a sharp drop in EV? We could give an AC and HP bonus to compensate.

[VeryAngryFelid]

And call it lignify?

Spoiler: show

Sorry if this is what you meant, I am not good at getting (or making) jokes

[Elitist]

!quaff ID'd resulting in a pseudo paralysis

Such as, perhaps, the inability to move and a sharp drop in EV? We could give an AC and HP bonus to compensate.

Tree Form...?

[shutyourtrap]

degens do not reduce your hp at all making death due to solely quaffing it simply impossible

You mentioned "pseudo paralysis" and paralysis leads to unavoidable deaths easily.

you could easily avoid that danger if you don't quaff highly stacked unID'd potions at all assuming that the feature is implemented

this would add risk and a little variety to the common "if I quaff'd this highly stacked potion, this may have a chance to have !curing in it"

[VeryAngryFelid]

Oh, so you are trying to reduce quaff-iding? Why? Personally I never quaff-id unless I have no choice but it is not fun to have unidentified potions even after clearing Lair IMHO.

[shutyourtrap]

this would be just an early game mechanic which has absolutely zero relevance to anything after you ID'd everything which is fine as long as there's an improvement

[duvessa]

removing degeneration would also reduce quaff-iding since it makes scroll-iding more appealing when there are fewer potions that have no effect