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What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 05:54
by lethediver
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Trollish meta responses go here

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Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 06:12
by Hellmonk
i selected everything, but where is the remove deep dwarf option

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 06:13
by lethediver
it got blocked by their damage shaving

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 06:45
by Shard1697
Voted for food, curses, ID game, poison magic, floors, haste(assuming this means removal of haste options like spell/wand, not total removal-potion is fine), duplicate wands

I honestly just don't care about blowguns ever since they became not-OP

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 07:04
by Lord Haart
What if i don't want no removal of none on the list?

On the other hand, i'm already several versions behind by choice.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 07:21
by sage1234
Not even crawl development related, I love the game, even the parts I hate. I would like to be able to play multiple online games of the same version. Have a few drinks let's play a MiBe, playing serious maybe play your FeBE.

OK, one thing: if health = 100% and player can't perform any action without dying, xom rescues you and resets hp to 1. I have died like 5 times from 100% to 0% in one turn and every time it sucks.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 07:45
by BabyRage
Beogh and Fedhas, Fe and Og.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 07:49
by goodcoolguy
Wow, someone got the botnet going on this one.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 08:23
by lethediver
Its only ~12 people that voted so far, looks like. You can vote for multiple options btw, not sure if you realized.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 08:24
by Brannock
goodcoolguy wrote:Wow, someone got the botnet going on this one.


What does this mean?

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 11:16
by goodcoolguy
lethediver wrote:Its only ~12 people that voted so far, looks like. You can vote for multiple options btw, not sure if you realized.


Oh, so it's like impossible to interpret the results?

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 11:25
by Sar
why would you ever want to "interpret" the results of a CYC poll

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 11:27
by lethediver
Im flattered you even think i was aiming for interpretability.

Its like i flung poop at the wall and you said "eh its an alright painting, its no mona lisa tho"

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:01
by CypherZel
Poison magic, trog and dpeg

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:16
by dpeg
CypherZel wrote:Poison magic, trog and dpeg
For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:21
by CypherZel
dpeg wrote:
CypherZel wrote:Poison magic, trog and dpeg
For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations.


You are the head of a non-profit Dev team that has institutionalised speciesm. Even if you aren't actively putting us down you are part of the problem. DLM will continue to riot in CYC until we get our reparations

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:39
by VeryAngryFelid
lethediver wrote:Trollish meta responses go here

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Thanks, I have one ;)
People who voted for removing blinking monsters should get good.
Blinking monsters are among the best designed monsters because they make player stop mindless tabbing and luring to corridors. We need to have more monsters like this: Orb of Fire, Ancient Lich, Centaur Warrior etc.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 13:52
by lethediver
VeryAngryFelid wrote:
lethediver wrote:Trollish meta responses go here

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Thanks, I have one ;)
People who voted for removing blinking monsters should get good.
Blinking monsters are among the best designed monsters because they make player stop mindless tabbing and luring to corridors. We need to have more monsters like this: Orb of Fire, Ancient Lich, Centaur Warrior etc.


Maybe blinking monsters should git gud. Right now they are more of an interface hassle than anything else. The only dangerous ones are blink frogs since they both blink, and are fast enough to still catch up to you after they stupidly blink away from you. But even then, their blinking lets you stairdance them with laughable ease.

If there was a blinking monster that had...like... Fulminant prism, and was actually dangerous, i might be in favor of them.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 14:01
by CypherZel
Blinking monsters actually make the game easier, unless you were trolling. I would love it if the monsters you just mentioned blink because I can run away

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 14:12
by VeryAngryFelid
lethediver wrote:Maybe blinking monsters should git gud. Right now they are more of an interface hassle than anything else. The only dangerous ones are blink frogs since they both blink, and are fast enough to still catch up to you after they stupidly blink away from you. But even then, their blinking lets you stairdance them with laughable ease.

If there was a blinking monster that had...like... Fulminant prism, and was actually dangerous, i might be in favor of them.


I don't know, maybe you are playing OP combos or something.
I am really scared of Lom Lobon, Vashnia, Mara. Some other things are just scary and can kill easily with some bad luck: boggart packs, rakshasa + something even more dangerous, even deep elf archers can bring troubles.
Guardian serpents/Draconian Shifter with their Blink Allies Enclosing, phantasmal warriors blocking retreat from cursed skull etc.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 14:13
by VeryAngryFelid
CypherZel wrote:Blinking monsters actually make the game easier, unless you were trolling. I would love it if the monsters you just mentioned blink because I can run away


Blinking monsters which are melee only are bad indeed, blinking monsters with powerful ranged attack are great.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 15:26
by dpeg
CypherZel wrote:
dpeg wrote:
CypherZel wrote:Poison magic, trog and dpeg
For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations.


You are the head of a non-profit Dev team that has institutionalised speciesm. Even if you aren't actively putting us down you are part of the problem. DLM will continue to riot in CYC until we get our reparations
Crawl development is headless.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 15:31
by CypherZel
dpeg wrote:
CypherZel wrote:
dpeg wrote:[quote="CypherZel"]Poison magic, trog and dpeg
For this, you will burn longer than Annihilations.


You are the head of a non-profit Dev team that has institutionalised speciesm. Even if you aren't actively putting us down you are part of the problem. DLM will continue to riot in CYC until we get our reparations
Crawl development is headless.[/quote]

Nice try but your hexes won't work on us.

We will find you
And we will meme you

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 15:33
by VeryAngryFelid
dpeg wrote:Crawl development is headless.


I hope you mean second meaning from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/headless, not the third one ;)

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 17:09
by WingedEspeon
Amulet of harm should be removed.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 17:15
by CypherZel
WingedEspeon wrote:Amulet of harm should be removed.


As well as faith, I actually use ID scrolls for all amulets until I found both of them and it's a huge waste

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 17:39
by Shtopit
dpeg wrote:Crawl development is headless.

It also haunts Sleepy Hollow.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 17:52
by duvessa
VeryAngryFelid wrote:
dpeg wrote:Crawl development is headless.


I hope you mean second meaning from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/headless, not the third one ;)
it's like how a chicken will still run around after you cut its head off

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 18:23
by Shtopit
duvessa wrote:
VeryAngryFelid wrote:
dpeg wrote:Crawl development is headless.


I hope you mean second meaning from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/headless, not the third one ;)
it's like how a chicken will still run around after you cut its head off

I read children instead of chicken and I was like, "uh, I didn't know they do that."

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 18:36
by Shard1697
CypherZel wrote:
WingedEspeon wrote:Amulet of harm should be removed.


As well as faith, I actually use ID scrolls for all amulets until I found both of them and it's a huge waste
But Faith, unlike Harm, is really good. And worst case scenario you can just wear it for a bit and then take it off and the piety gain+loss will basically be a wash... or you're late enough on that it doesn't matter.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 18:37
by CypherZel
Shard1697 wrote:
CypherZel wrote:
WingedEspeon wrote:Amulet of harm should be removed.


As well as faith, I actually use ID scrolls for all amulets until I found both of them and it's a huge waste
But Faith, unlike Harm, is really good. And worst case scenario you can just wear it for a bit and then take it off and the piety gain+loss will basically be a wash.


Faith is like sex and consent, it's only good if you want it

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 19:33
by ArcaneNH
main.cc that file is nothing but trouble.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 20:01
by stickyfingers
Summons that hide the fact they are summoned. Rakshasa mostly. It's terrible.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 20:17
by VeryAngryFelid
stickyfingers wrote:Summons that hide the fact they are summoned. Rakshasa mostly. It's terrible.


Mara is in the same category. This is interesting IMHO, you can try killing one of them (unless you have cleaving) or flee to reset the fight. They have ranged attack so resetting the fight is not exactly easy and it is good IMHO.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 21:01
by Shard1697
Resetting the fight is usually easy IMO. Doesn't help that if you take stairs, fake maras and your clone cannot follow you(and then poof), so you can just keep going up and down stairs to make Mara's gimmick totally meaningless. Then all you need is rF.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Wednesday, 28th September 2016, 21:33
by stickyfingers
I'm not saying it's hard, it just annoying. Some time ago you'd just go upstairs whenever a summoner summoned some monsters. Then expiry on summoner's death was added. Rakshasa clones function like the old summoners, which I don't like.

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Mara is in the same category. This is interesting IMHO, you can try killing one of them (unless you have cleaving) or flee to reset the fight. They have ranged attack so resetting the fight is not exactly easy and it is good IMHO.

Well, Mara is a type of rakshasa, an unique one. There's just one of it per game, though, and sometimes worth fighting due to demon weaponry.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 03:06
by duvessa
Shtopit wrote:
duvessa wrote:it's like how a chicken will still run around after you cut its head off

I read children instead of chicken and I was like, "uh, I didn't know they do that."
that's true as well

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 03:52
by VeryAngryFelid
Shard1697 wrote:Resetting the fight is usually easy IMO. Doesn't help that if you take stairs, fake maras and your clone cannot follow you(and then poof), so you can just keep going up and down stairs to make Mara's gimmick totally meaningless. Then all you need is rF.


I guess you have never died as Fo to Mara in Vaults. With rF+, yes ;)

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 04:13
by duvessa
VeryAngryFelid wrote:I guess you have never died as Fo to Mara in Vaults.
Very few people have done that.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 07:21
by shnurlf
CypherZel wrote:Remove remove

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 14:23
by VeryAngryFelid
duvessa wrote:Very few people have done that.


Thank you, now I am proud of myself ;)

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 14:57
by Eyesburn
remove Abyss

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 15:25
by Floodkiller
OP forgot Malmutate+cMut.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 16:07
by lethediver
I didn't forget. Sadly you can only make a poll with 10 options max. Yet more oppression on the part of the mods ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 17:12
by tabstorm
I voted for food, floors, and wand duplication. There are other things I wish were removed that aren't on the list though.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Thursday, 29th September 2016, 18:54
by lethediver
Well? Dont just leave me in suspense bro -- tell me what they are.

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Friday, 30th September 2016, 00:44
by tabstorm
Floor traps
Tomb
Amulet of Harm
player ghosts so I don't feel incentivized to play on CJR all the time

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Friday, 30th September 2016, 01:35
by arandomperson12
Why do you dislike player ghosts?

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Friday, 30th September 2016, 01:42
by duvessa
they are free xp at best and griefing at worst

Re: What do you want removed from crawl

PostPosted: Friday, 30th September 2016, 04:32
by Shard1697
draconian ghosts still have drain breath which is basically just completely inexplicable to me, tbh