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Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Thursday, 1st September 2016, 22:33
by arandomperson12
One vault at crypt:3 features a room full of loot, with "cages" made of bars of the left and right side, with each cage containing a lich and a alich. I used a wand of disintegration to open each cage and lure out the liches before entering the vault. When I entered, both cages disappeared. Apparently, it was intended to be a trap. However, this is easily avoided.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Thursday, 1st September 2016, 23:12
by Cheibrodos
Being cheesable if you're intuitive or have had the vault before may or may not be part of the intended design, but that is certainly the case and it's a weird, spoilery vault that should be changed or removed imo.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 00:14
by PleasingFungus
david_glass_crypt, probably. (The glass was turned into grates years ago.)

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 03:37
by Shard1697
I'll confirm that I also always use disint to open them up and kill them before going in. I didn't actually know it was a trap that opened up, I thought they were just supposed to summon demons from behind the grates.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 06:56
by Sar
Wouldn't making those walls transparent stone solve the problem?

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 10:29
by dpeg
Yes, that's my vault. The issue can be fixed (for example like Sar suggests) but I am not sure it's necessary.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 12:03
by arandomperson12
Even transparent stone can be destroyed by lrd and shatter.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 13:52
by VeryAngryFelid
dpeg wrote:Yes, that's my vault. The issue can be fixed (for example like Sar suggests) but I am not sure it's necessary.


It is necessary IMHO. I was surprised by the vault just once, after that I always disintegrate the grates and fight one lich at a time. 2 liches are not just twice more dangerous than 1 lich, they are much more dangerous

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 17:36
by ximxim
Isn't there tons of vaults like this, that can be "cheesed" in some way? Always thought it was intended behavior, rewarding player ingenuity.

(Example: the bailey one with the returning tomahawks that can be trivialized if you have access to flight.)

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Friday, 2nd September 2016, 18:12
by Doesnt
It's pretty obvious that you can mess up those kobolds by flying or shooting or just stalling them out of ammo even if it's your first time doing that bailey.

In the case of this crypt vault, if you haven't seen it before, you have no way of knowing that some walls about to just poof away and put you in a very bad position, but if you do know that then you can break some walls in advance to avoid the danger.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Sunday, 4th September 2016, 05:02
by jwoodward48ss
Autoexplore trap.

Re: Vault cheesing?

PostPosted: Sunday, 4th September 2016, 12:39
by arandomperson12
It is not autoexplore trap, as the liches prevent you from doing that.