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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:00

Would you use this?

Would you use this hypothetical artifact on a melee brute?
+23 crystal plate mail of Dipocw Slay+8 Str+12 Dex+12 Int+12 rF+ rC+ rN+ rElec rPois *Rage -Tele

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:11

Re: Would you use this?

of course.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:14

Re: Would you use this?

I'd use that even on most 'casters' probably.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:20

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hmm... no MR. PASS op.
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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:38

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:42

Re: Would you use this?

But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 18:44

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No worries, I will just god swap to ash and learn passage of golubria :^)

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:30

Re: Would you use this?

arandomperson12 wrote:But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.

It has 37+ AC and resists, which prevent being easily killed.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:44

Re: Would you use this?

Unless it was very recently changed, you can "easily" suppress *Rage by "just" keeping your satiation at sufficiently low levels. (Yes this is terrible and should not be possible.)

Or wear stasis.

In any event, going berserk occasionally is much easier to swallow if your body armor is by itself giving you +37 AC with 0 training, nearly Chei-level stat boosts, and a ton of resistances to boot.

Teleportation is a nice fallback, for sure, but there are other ways to deal with bad situations, and having +37 AC with 0 training, nearly Chei-level stat boosts, and resists will have a pretty remarkable effect in terms of preventing bad situations.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:47

Re: Would you use this?

Not to mention you don't even have to use Chei.

Yeah I'd take this, I'd love this, and I'd ride it to victory because if you die while wearing this you don't deserve to win.
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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 19:54

Re: Would you use this?

Yeah, I meant (roughly) same level of boost as Chei gives. (Edited post to clarify.)

In other news, Maxwell's patent armour is also pretty damn good for a lot of characters.

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Maybe it comes from a website with methods against direct linking of images? I saw the image earlier.
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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 22:20

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arandomperson12 wrote:But it has *Rage and -Tele, could easily kill you.
Not if you pay attention to the fights you're getting into, with that much AC!

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Shtopit wrote:Maybe it comes from a website with methods against direct linking of images? I saw the image earlier.
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 01:58

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Hm, it turns your character into an invincible killing machine, but also you can't teleport... let me think about this...
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 02:01

Re: Would you use this?

To be fair, it's probably slightly worse in postend.
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 02:04

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Plus, when I fuck up and die, I can blame the death on this! It's perfect!
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 03:32

Re: Would you use this?

Of course, I can just pretend that I am a formicid except with *rage. Formicids are not that bad. I can still cast Passage.
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 03:35

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Petition for this item to be the subject of a new sprint, on account of its too awesome not to be in the game but being in the main game would be ridiculously OP, to be blunt.
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 06:21

Re: Would you use this?

I would probably swap for a non *Rage-Tele armor at some point, but it'd be really late in the game. Like Hells or Pan late. Where hellfire+torment+smiting become commonplace.

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Post Monday, 29th August 2016, 19:09

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I play lots of formicids. That armor would make me wet my pants if I found it on a Fo. It's like Chei, except no drawbacks.
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 16:29

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jwoodward48ss wrote:I play lots of formicids. That armor would make me wet my pants if I found it on a Fo. It's like Chei, except no drawbacks.

same but id probably faint
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 17:14

Re: Would you use this?

No. I died with Maxwell's plate before and this armour is worse than Maxwell's.
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 17:53

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:No. I died with Maxwell's plate before and this armour is worse than Maxwell's.

How is this worse than Maxwell's?
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:19

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Nope. I'm a cat. What's armour?
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:24

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Queen Cassie wrote:How is this worse than Maxwell's?


Maxwell's does not have *Rage.
-Tele and *Rage are the most dangerous things in the whole game, both prevent you from reading a scroll of blinking.
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 18:56

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It's also +23, +8 slaying and +12 to each stat...

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Shard1697 wrote:It's also +23, +8 slaying and +12 to each stat...


So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.
If I remember correct, I died to some fiend in Elf 3. With any other armour I would just read a scroll of blinking.
Scroll of blinking makes death impossible unless you have -Tele or are berserking and this armour has both.
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 19:27

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If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.

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Shard1697 wrote:If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.


Of course I agree. My point is exactly that, I am more likely to die in that armour than in +5 plate because the latter does not kill me for mistakes.
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Post Tuesday, 30th August 2016, 22:47

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But it's a lot harder to make a mistake in this armour. And you can still die in +5 plate. (P_death if mistake in armour a)*(P_mistake in armour a) < (P_death if mistake in armour b)*(P_mistake in armour b), where a is the supergood -TELE and b is the uberdumb plate. Although mistakes are more deadly, there are less of them. It's statistics - this uber-TELE could still be good.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 01:40

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In +23 plate with +12 to all stats, there are no mistakes. Just happy little accidents.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 01:42

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.


450 hp? 40 str? +24 slaying? 90 ac? None of that means SHIT when you're dead, kid.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 05:50

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Queen Cassie wrote:How is this worse than Maxwell's?


Maxwell's does not have *Rage.
-Tele and *Rage are the most dangerous things in the whole game, both prevent you from reading a scroll of blinking.

*Rage is easily controlled. -Tele cannot be controlled. Ergo -Tele is worse ergo Maxwell's Plate is worse. QED.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:41

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jwoodward48ss wrote:But it's a lot harder to make a mistake in this armour. And you can still die in +5 plate. (P_death if mistake in armour a)*(P_mistake in armour a) < (P_death if mistake in armour b)*(P_mistake in armour b), where a is the supergood -TELE and b is the uberdumb plate. Although mistakes are more deadly, there are less of them. It's statistics - this uber-TELE could still be good.


No, I cannot die in +5 plate (or any other armour, even a -2 robe) as long as I have at least one scroll of blinking.

Edit. My current character is DgTm with Blade Hands and +6 MDA and Dragon Form with some very good rings, one of them has -Tele. I felt OP until I had a row of unlucky rolls in a single turn and needed to blink and that 0.5 delay was very bad. After that I dropped the ring and never looked back. With -Tele body armour I would probably die. Some monsters have potential to deal 30-50% player HP damage in a single turn.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:48

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I cannot die in a +5 plate, as long as I am a Draconian.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:49

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:So? All those bonuses can be useless when you die.


450 hp? 40 str? +24 slaying? 90 ac? None of that means SHIT when you're dead, kid.


You are the kid if you put 450 hp in the same category with other bonuses.
If the armour was a robe which gave nothing but +100 HP, I would use it.

Edit. Also you missed my point. For example, slaying is obviously useless on melee character when you died to ranged attack, AC is almost useless vs LCS, Iron shot and Orb of Fire.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 13:51

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Queen Cassie wrote:*Rage is easily controlled. -Tele cannot be controlled. Ergo -Tele is worse ergo Maxwell's Plate is worse. QED.


I don't want to "easily" control. I want to enjoy the game, not count calories.
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Post Wednesday, 31st August 2016, 14:19

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Shard1697 wrote:If you die on elf 3 wearing that armor, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment. It's not the armor's fault that you got yourself into a situation so bad that you needed to blink despite having +23 crystal plate, huge stats, and huge slaying.

If you die in Crawl, you fucked up at some point in positioning/threat assessment.

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