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Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 11:16by papilio
Gehenna is "hell of fire".
However, the toughest enemies of Gehenna are Brimstone fiends and Hellions,
both of them do not really require rF+++.
It's really weird that rF+++ is usually not-so-concerned to break through the hell of fire.
Also, Geh is the easiest part among 4 Hells.
So, I think it is plausible to add OOFs to Gehenna - and for only Geh:7.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 11:27by Shard1697
rF+++ is not required for OoF either.
That said, I'm not necessarily against this, though it does sort of affect OoF's place as 'special' zot only enemies.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 11:46by BabyRage
papilio wrote:Also, Geh is the easiest part among 4 Hells.
I'm not sure about this. Tartarus feels easier for me.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 11:54by papilio
BabyRage wrote:papilio wrote:Also, Geh is the easiest part among 4 Hells.
I'm not sure about this. Tartarus feels easier for me.
Tartarus? I think Tar is the hardest one for now.
Tzitzimitls and doom hounds are absolutely pains in ass.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 11:57by BabyRage
I actually find Tzitzimeh much less dangerous than brimstone fiends.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 14:10by tabstorm
papilio wrote:BabyRage wrote:papilio wrote:Also, Geh is the easiest part among 4 Hells.
I'm not sure about this. Tartarus feels easier for me.
Tartarus? I think Tar is the hardest one for now.
Tzitzimitls and doom hounds are absolutely pains in ass.
One thing it's good to remember in Hell/Pan is that there are very few things that can actually
kill you, even if your HP is on the low end.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 14:39by Dungeoneer
no.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 15:15by bcadren
I play a lot of felids, safe to say everything can kill me it I make a mistake.
Anyways; (1) yea, no.
(2) It -really- depends on the character. But Dis is generally the hardest hell, followed by Cocytus, then Tartarus, then Gehenna...but it does vary; Tartarus is the most dangerous if you rely heavily on magic, because hell effects can spawn silent spectres, etc.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 16:35by dynast
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Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 17:40by PleasingFungus
in principle i'd recommend looking at stats that don't include 10-year-old versions of the game, but the order of hell lethality hasn't actually changed in ten years
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 18:53by Sar
Really? I remember pre-hell sents Dis to be considered one of the easiest branches, on par with Tar or even easier.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 18:54by duvessa
Sar wrote:Really? I remember pre-hell sents Dis to be considered one of the easiest branches, on par with Tar or even easier.
...which meant people did it first more often, which resulted in it having the most online kills anyway.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Saturday, 20th August 2016, 19:02by Sar
That makes sense!
Tar is still the last, though. BUFF TAR BUFF ERESH
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 15:35by dowan
duvessa wrote:Sar wrote:Really? I remember pre-hell sents Dis to be considered one of the easiest branches, on par with Tar or even easier.
...which meant people did it first more often, which resulted in it having the most online kills anyway.
This is the exact same process that causes D1 to generate the most deaths, except it's not chosen because it's easier, it's chosen because there's no other choice.
Yet people like to point to that data to 'prove' early game is the hardest.
So if that proves early game is the hardest part, then it also proves the easiest hell is the hardest one.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 15:42by Arrhythmia
dowan wrote:duvessa wrote:Sar wrote:Really? I remember pre-hell sents Dis to be considered one of the easiest branches, on par with Tar or even easier.
...which meant people did it first more often, which resulted in it having the most online kills anyway.
This is the exact same process that causes D1 to generate the most deaths, except it's not chosen because it's easier, it's chosen because there's no other choice.
Yet people like to point to that data to 'prove' early game is the hardest.
So if that proves early game is the hardest part, then it also proves the easiest hell is the hardest one.
Except D:1 is also the biggest per-capita killer; not just the biggest absolute value killer.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 16:41by dowan
Ah, I should have examined the data more thoroughly, as I thought that was showing more meaningful data than just raw number of deaths. My bad.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 16:50by Shtopit
I'd rather substitute dart slugs on the first levels of the dungeon with marbles of fire. It gives a nice sense of closure this way, when a OOF on Z:5 hits you for 120 damage.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 18:47by PleasingFungus
Arrhythmia wrote:Except D:1 is also the biggest per-capita killer; not just the biggest absolute value killer.
i vaguely remember d:2 or d:3 having the highest kill rate, when i was looking it up a while back
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Monday, 22nd August 2016, 23:05by Arrhythmia
PleasingFungus wrote:Arrhythmia wrote:Except D:1 is also the biggest per-capita killer; not just the biggest absolute value killer.
i vaguely remember d:2 or d:3 having the highest kill rate, when i was looking it up a while back
I'm pretty sure it was D:2 last time I checked too; the idea is still the same though.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Tuesday, 23rd August 2016, 07:27by genericpseudonym
Shtopit wrote:I'd rather substitute dart slugs on the first levels of the dungeon with marbles of fire. It gives a nice sense of closure this way, when a OOF on Z:5 hits you for 120 damage.
OOFs are tiny-size in game so they're basically already marbles.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Tuesday, 23rd August 2016, 07:31by Shtopit
And there I thought they were as big as hayballs...
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Thursday, 25th August 2016, 23:40by jwoodward48ss
WHAT?!?
THIS MUST BE RECTIFIED IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Friday, 26th August 2016, 00:30by Shard1697
it's like how charizard is small in the pokedex but everyone knows that's bullshit
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Friday, 26th August 2016, 01:15by arandomperson12
genericpseudonym wrote:Shtopit wrote:I'd rather substitute dart slugs on the first levels of the dungeon with marbles of fire. It gives a nice sense of closure this way, when a OOF on Z:5 hits you for 120 damage.
OOFs are tiny-size in game so they're basically already marbles.
That is wrong. They are little, roughly the same size as a spriggan.
Re: Add OOF to Geh:7
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Friday, 26th August 2016, 13:45by minstrel
This is how I think of OOF's. Only on fire and in a dungeon.