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FFV is actually good though. the class system is legit and there's all sorts of weird ways you can deal with bosses, FFV fiesta is fun if you've never done it before

So begins the endless discussion of "which Final Fantasies are good and which are bad".

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Final Fantasy ratings continued:

Good: Final Fantasy Adventure, Final Fantasy Legend 1 and 2 (didn't play 3, heard it's good), Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger
Not that good, maybe worth playing once, but amazing soundtrack: Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
What the fuck: Secret of Evermore

Edit: Super Mario RPG is a top tier Final Fantasy

The Last Blade II, most underestimated fighting game ever, and one with the best art.

Final Fantasy Tactics is good.

Caring about english voice acting in japanese games, when are you going to learn?

The FF6: Beyond Chaos randomizer/romhack device is fun. Shuffles almost everything in the game to make it feel somewhat roguelike.

S'mo' good, free PC games (I know like a million of these, throw out some wanted genres and I'll post more):
Cave Story (action/platformer)
Middens (RPG)
Murder Dog IV: Trial of the Murder Dog (there's a trial and it has Murder Dog in it)
Enviro-Bear 2000 (bear driving a car simulator)
Space Funeral (RPG)
Zineth (awesome 3D rollerblading parkour with time reversal)
Round 42 (shoot-'em-up, this's the DOS version emulated online)
The Drop (rogue-lite/RPG)
BZFlag (3D tank fightin's)
Liberal Crime Squad (Rogue-lite political adventure thing)
Frog Fractions (learn about ???????)
Gun Godz (3D FPS, Nuclear Throne's grandpappy)
Sonny 2 (RPG, pretty advanced given it's old and made in Flash)
Can You Jump It? 3D (c'mon, just try this one)

Axiom Verge.

Barkley, Shut up and Jam: Gaiden

http://www.talesofgames.com/related_game/barkley-shut-up-jam-gaiden/

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Gongclonker wrote:Murder Dog IV: Trial of the Murder Dog (there's a trial and it has Murder Dog in it)
Space Funeral (RPG)

I can't believe I found another thecatamites fan out in the wild.

These are free and excellent, everyone play them.

Also play "Goblet Grotto", a game that thecatamites and a friend of his made because of playing DCSS and not really knowing what the hell was going on and making something to emulate that sorta weird feeling you have in a roguelike when you don't understand anything about the game yet. (I remember an interview with him where he was talking about how for a while he played DCSS in his off time, not really paying too much attention or bothering to try that hard, just sorta doing whatever and dying in amusing ways, and he liked to feeling of an environment you don't understand that's super hostile towards you, and how he was just by 'why not' habit falling into sacrificing corpses to gods and stuff like that)

Cheibrodos wrote:Witcher III was great, and it should be an affordable price in several years when you get a computer that can run it.

By that time, you can satisfy yourself with the previous two installments of the series(well, ok, the first one is a bit dated and clunky, but has a good story; the second one is just dope, tho).

I'd also reccomend The Longest Journey series, now that it's finished and there are no cliffhangers you'd have to wait 10 years to be resolved(at lest I hope so, I still haven't played through the last chapter of Dreamfall: Chapters...)(second game, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, ends on the most frustrating cliffhanger ever!).
I also had lots of fun playing Borderlands 2.

Someone already mentioned my favourite game of all time, Bastion. I cannot reccomend that one enough. Just listen to that soundtrack! *Bliss*

dracos369 wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:Witcher III was great, and it should be an affordable price in several years when you get a computer that can run it.

By that time, you can satisfy yourself with the previous two installments of the series(well, ok, the first one is a bit dated and clunky, but has a good story; the second one is just dope, tho).

I'd also reccomend The Longest Journey series, now that it's finished and there are no cliffhangers you'd have to wait 10 years to be resolved(at lest I hope so, I still haven't played through the last chapter of Dreamfall: Chapters...)(second game, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, ends on the most frustrating cliffhanger ever!).
I also had lots of fun playing Borderlands 2.

Someone already mentioned my favourite game of all time, Bastion. I cannot reccomend that one enough. Just listen to that soundtrack! *Bliss*

my problem with the longest journey (the first one anyways) is that it is, ironically enough, too long.

Wait what do you mean The Longest Journey is finished? Didn't it end with Dreamfall? THERE'S A SEQUEL TO DREAMFALL?!

yes, dreamfall: chapters, as dracos said.

in keeping with my earlier promise in this thread, i will say nothing about the original dreamfall.

dracos369 wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:Witcher III was great, and it should be an affordable price in several years when you get a computer that can run it.

By that time, you can satisfy yourself with the previous two installments of the series(well, ok, the first one is a bit dated and clunky, but has a good story; the second one is just dope, tho).

I'd also reccomend The Longest Journey series, now that it's finished and there are no cliffhangers you'd have to wait 10 years to be resolved(at lest I hope so, I still haven't played through the last chapter of Dreamfall: Chapters...)(second game, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, ends on the most frustrating cliffhanger ever!).
I also had lots of fun playing Borderlands 2.

Someone already mentioned my favourite game of all time, Bastion. I cannot reccomend that one enough. Just listen to that soundtrack! *Bliss*

Witcher 1 is amazing game.

BabyRage wrote:
dracos369 wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:Witcher III was great, and it should be an affordable price in several years when you get a computer that can run it.

By that time, you can satisfy yourself with the previous two installments of the series(well, ok, the first one is a bit dated and clunky, but has a good story; the second one is just dope, tho).

I'd also reccomend The Longest Journey series, now that it's finished and there are no cliffhangers you'd have to wait 10 years to be resolved(at lest I hope so, I still haven't played through the last chapter of Dreamfall: Chapters...)(second game, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, ends on the most frustrating cliffhanger ever!).
I also had lots of fun playing Borderlands 2.

Someone already mentioned my favourite game of all time, Bastion. I cannot reccomend that one enough. Just listen to that soundtrack! *Bliss*

Witcher 1 is amazing game.

It has some great moments, but I would be lying if I said the mechanics weren't grossly outdated.

IVAN.

It's a roguelike. It also suffers from a lot of the typical roguelike problems that Crawl tried to get rid of: spoilery mechanics, some grindiness and such. But it's hilarious, kind of campy, and actually challenging. And you can just do/have done to you insane stuff in it that will make it a memorable experience.

Other than that, some good games I've played recently, of various genres:

Life is Strange
Papers, Please
This War of Mine
Tropico 4 (get it on sale if you like city-builders - at this point you can probably get all the DLCs and the expansion in a cheap bundle)
Underrail
Age of Decadence (if you liked Underrail and care a lot about the story - the game mechanics are significantly inferior to those of Underrail IMO)
And some classics: Gothic and Gothic 2: Night of the Raven. Can't possibly miss these two.

Scoregasm and Irukandji (shoot-em-ups)
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus (platformer/puzzler)
Super Smash Land (Smash Bros. demake)
AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! for the Awesome (base jumping tomfoolery)

Gaems, actually don't exist

Fuck off and let me play Final Fantasy in peace Descartes.

Zerahypt (space exploration in a universe the creator has been working on since he was a kid)

And now, shoot-'em-ups:

Jets'n'Guns Gold (steal a giant beer stein from a borg cube)
Enemy Mind (possess any enemy ship)
Symphony (kill a demon that lives in your music)

Path of Exile sucks a lot.
it sucked 1300 hours out of me.
send help.

If you're into a hardcore challenge, try the D&D inspired combat rpg Knights of the Chalice. Never could win the end-fight, but had lots and lots of fun getting there.

Hirsch I wrote:Path of Exile sucks a lot.
it sucked 1300 hours out of me.
send help.

Stupid path of exile... I just started playing it again.

It is free, and it is a game. It's better than most free games (except crawl, of course).

Cheibrodos wrote:
BabyRage wrote:
Witcher 1 is amazing game.

It has some great moments, but I would be lying if I said the mechanics weren't grossly outdated.

Who cares? I give it 10/10 just for the soundtrack.

BabyRage wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:
BabyRage wrote:
Witcher 1 is amazing game.

It has some great moments, but I would be lying if I said the mechanics weren't grossly outdated.

Who cares? I give it 10/10 just for the soundtrack.

I was sold on those stupid witcher games for their "Deep combat".

I guess two attack buttons, each which perform one randomly selected attack from a bunch of completely different attacks (Some lunging, some quick, some very slow) is what passes for deep combat to some people... And sometimes you'd get the same attack when you pushed the other button!

The combat strategy in the witcher 2 boiled down to "Cast the shield spell, hit the guys, cast the shield spell, repeat".

I'm mad I got tricked into buying that game...

dowan wrote:I was sold on those stupid witcher games for their "Deep combat".

I guess two attack buttons, each which perform one randomly selected attack from a bunch of completely different attacks (Some lunging, some quick, some very slow) is what passes for deep combat to some people... And sometimes you'd get the same attack when you pushed the other button!

The combat strategy in the witcher 2 boiled down to "Cast the shield spell, hit the guys, cast the shield spell, repeat".

I'm mad I got tricked into buying that game...

You should play Dark Souls, aka the best game ever. It has the deepest of combats.

dowan wrote:I was sold on those stupid witcher games for their "Deep combat".

I guess two attack buttons, each which perform one randomly selected attack from a bunch of completely different attacks (Some lunging, some quick, some very slow) is what passes for deep combat to some people... And sometimes you'd get the same attack when you pushed the other button!

The combat strategy in the witcher 2 boiled down to "Cast the shield spell, hit the guys, cast the shield spell, repeat".

I'm mad I got tricked into buying that game...

If we are talking about witcher 1 yes, combat system sucks there, since you basically only have to press 1 button to attack. But it's not whats important in the game for me. Also combat animations were amazing for the year it came out — you know, all those acrobatics that Geralt does (it still looks very good even today when motion capture is everywhere).

gammafunk wrote:Ultimate Wizard for Commodore 64

Dammit, I had to remember my old password just to login because this post forced my nostalgial cortex to fire repeatedly and demand I post more C64 era awesomeness.

Sorta crawl-related, in that they're turn based RPGs:

Phantasie
Questron
Wizard's Crown
Ultima I-IV (V too, but use a C-128 emulator for the expanded music)
Legacy of the Ancients
Darklands (post C64 era, but too awesome to not include)
Temple of Apshai

OK, calming down now, I think </nostalgia>...

minstrel wrote:
gammafunk wrote:Ultimate Wizard for Commodore 64

Damnit, I had to remember my old password just to login because this post forced my nostalgial cortex to fire repeatedly and demand I post more C64 era awesomeness.

Sorta crawl-related, in that they're turn based RPGs:

Phantasie
Questron
Wizard's Crown
Ultima I-IV (V too, but use a C-128 emulator for the expanded music)
Legacy of the Ancients
Darklands (post C64 era, but too awesome to not include)
Temple of Apshai

OK, calming down now, I think </nostalgia>...

I'm kind of amazed that you put Ultima 1-3 there, but didn't put 6 or 7.

dowan wrote:
Hirsch I wrote:Path of Exile sucks a lot.
it sucked 1300 hours out of me.
send help.

Stupid path of exile... I just started playing it again.

It is free, and it is a game. It's better than most free games (except crawl, of course).

They really shit the bed with Prophecy league though, and from the most recent blog post they're about to shit the bed on the next challenge league too.
Everyone is going to be playing the expansion in standard league b/c of it.
They struck gold with the Cadiro/Perandus league, which I'm sure isn't helping. If the next league were coming immediately after say.... Warbands, I'm sure it would have a better welcome.
Just to put things in perspective, I'm another one of those that'll easily log 40+ hrs a week the first month that a new league is out.

BabyRage wrote:Also combat animations were amazing for the year it came out — you know, all those acrobatics that Geralt does (it still looks very good even today when motion capture is everywhere).

Amazing, yes, ridiculous aswell, i mean, Devil May Cry is making fun of witcher's choreography.

infinitevox wrote:
dowan wrote:
Hirsch I wrote:Path of Exile sucks a lot.
it sucked 1300 hours out of me.
send help.

Stupid path of exile... I just started playing it again.

It is free, and it is a game. It's better than most free games (except crawl, of course).

They really shit the bed with Prophecy league though, and from the most recent blog post they're about to shit the bed on the next challenge league too.
Everyone is going to be playing the expansion in standard league b/c of it.
They struck gold with the Cadiro/Perandus league, which I'm sure isn't helping. If the next league were coming immediately after say.... Warbands, I'm sure it would have a better welcome.
Just to put things in perspective, I'm another one of those that'll easily log 40+ hrs a week the first month that a new league is out.

Totally agree.
Prophecy was a total bummer. Backtracking and constant removal of trash propecies killed that league for me. And those untested loading "features" were a total dissaster.
I'm planning to play in SC next league because of those ridiculous endgame bosses. Because I don't want to play as another Champion. No way.
Uber Lab trail traps we're already the last pushover for me. Now this.
I don't want to rip, just after I reached level 80+ because of bullshit oneshot mechanics on those. Which 100% will be present on those, from what I've seen from the trailer. And new content always makes such a trap.
Probably would've played in HC if I had time this autumn.

Arrhythmia wrote:
dowan wrote:I was sold on those stupid witcher games for their "Deep combat".

I guess two attack buttons, each which perform one randomly selected attack from a bunch of completely different attacks (Some lunging, some quick, some very slow) is what passes for deep combat to some people... And sometimes you'd get the same attack when you pushed the other button!

The combat strategy in the witcher 2 boiled down to "Cast the shield spell, hit the guys, cast the shield spell, repeat".

I'm mad I got tricked into buying that game...

You should play Dark Souls, aka the best game ever. It has the deepest of combats.

Well, I played dark souls quite a bit actually, and I really like it. The combat system was quite good, although I really don't demand much beyond "I want to be able to predict what my character will do before I press the button".
When people were talking about the Witcher's "deep combat" they kept comparing it to Dark souls, which is why I bought it.

In dark souls, if you know the weapons, you know what will happen when you push the button.
In witcher 2, you have no idea which of the many flashy and fancy animations will occur when you push the button. Maybe it'll be a quick slash, maybe it'll be a 360 degree jumping spinning flourish. There's two attack buttons, one called quick and one strong, or something like that, yet in practice it seemed like both buttons were pulling from the same random list of attacks.

The secret of Dark Souls combat is that at the core it's actually quite simple-just basic timing stuff(timing rolls/parries as enemy attack comes out, not committing to your own attack if it'll take too long). But that's not a bad thing.

dynast wrote:
BabyRage wrote:Also combat animations were amazing for the year it came out — you know, all those acrobatics that Geralt does (it still looks very good even today when motion capture is everywhere).

Amazing, yes, ridiculous aswell, i mean, Devil May Cry is making fun of witcher's choreography.

I still liked it.

dowan wrote:When people were talking about the Witcher's "deep combat" they kept comparing it to Dark souls

I think you got trolled

I could never get into the Witcher. I played a lot of the first game, did not enjoy a second of it, only wanted to use the save for the second game. never finished. then I tried the second game. did not get into it as well. then I tried the third game, I mean, three times is the charm right? nope, something bugs me, I just can't have fun while playing it. on the other hand, I'm not having fun with dark souls 3 as well, and I LOVED the first two games. maybe I'm just burned up with gaming after two years of hikikomori lifestyle.

Dark Souls 3 is garbage compared to first two.

it's fine actually

ds2 has the best pvp but the rest of it is pretty damn meh

True, but pvp is a reason you play dark souls anyway (for majority of people). DS3 multiplayer is already dying after 5 months from release.

Arrhythmia wrote:
I'm kind of amazed that you put Ultima 1-3 there, but didn't put 6 or 7.

Well, aside from Darklands, I was mostly sticking to square tile based C64 era stuff. VII was a lot of fun, but didn't really break any ground so I didn't feel like making an exception for it. And VI I just didn't like much.

BabyRage wrote:Dark Souls 3 is garbage compared to first two.

Actually, it's really good.

I never got into PVP on Dark Souls. my internet connection sucks balls, so it takes away a lot of the enjoyment. but the PVE is awesome, there's always a way to make it more challenging.

Hirsch I wrote:I never got into PVP on Dark Souls. my internet connection sucks balls, so it takes away a lot of the enjoyment. but the PVE is awesome, there's always a way to make it more challenging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m2a2dLdZ0M

ok, so I'm playing FFV for the first time and seriously: how is this not just a bad version of FFIV? i mean, it's not the worst FF I've ever played by any means (looking at you, Mystic Quest) but uggggghhhhh i'd so much rather be playing through IV again

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Arrhythmia wrote:
Hirsch I wrote:I never got into PVP on Dark Souls. my internet connection sucks balls, so it takes away a lot of the enjoyment. but the PVE is awesome, there's always a way to make it more challenging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m2a2dLdZ0M

o my god. and I was felling all badass about my SL1 naked no shield run. this guy actually cried at the end, what a fuck.

tedric wrote:ok, so I'm playing FFV for the first time and seriously: how is this not just a bad version of FFIV? i mean, it's not the worst FF I've ever played by any means (looking at you, Mystic Quest) but uggggghhhhh i'd so much rather be playing through IV again

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just got through the part where you meet Cid & Mid and now i have the steamship and have heard the name 'Exdeath', so please let me know if i'm approaching a turning point where this stops looking like a knock-off of its immediate predecessor and starts acting like an interesting game in its own right, or if it's just going to keep being a slog through essentially the same "plot" as IV but with only 10% of the creative world-building and 5% of the emotional stakes

You'd be better off just putting it down; you're not going to have a third act epiphany here.

You do get bonus points for being the first human being I've ever met to dislike FFV though.

i wouldn't say i don't like it -- FFIV is probably my favorite video game ever*, so being a bad knock-off of that is actually quite a compliment. it's just that so far, V seems to lack the emotional punch and gameplay "wow" moments of IV, but is otherwise the same basic setup (towns-have-elemental-crystals, bad-guy-wants-crystals, run-from-one-crystal-to-the-next-but-always-get-there-just-too-late), so i'm feeling underwhelmed.

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EDIT: but i'm totally gonna finish it anyway

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