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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 18:49

Regen?

Why is the spell regeneration considered so good? It only gives 1 hp/turn, and it also makes you hunger faster.

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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 18:52

Re: Regen?

Late-game melees tend to drag on for many many turns. Casting regeneration before a fight can give you a significant hitpoint buffer, and it stacks with itself up to a certain point. It's also relatively easy to cast, as a level 3 Charms/Necro spell, and can be used alongside some other handy spells like Corpse Rot and Repel Missiles. The spell can also be used between fights while waiting to get back to full health faster, minimizing the risk of being ambushed while at low health. The hunger cost is mostly irrelevant for non-Spriggans due to rations being abundant.

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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 19:08

Re: Regen?

arandomperson12 wrote:Why is the spell regeneration considered so good? It only gives 1 hp/turn, and it also makes you hunger faster.

Because its better than nothing. In this case hunger = nothing.
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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 21:16

Re: Regen?

Also once you have a decent amount of spellcasting it becomes hungerless anyways.

It's great in places like Abyss/Hell/Pan where resting can be annoying/interrupted by enemies easily, and the benefit comes with very little drawback unless you really need that 3 MP.

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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 22:06

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Shard1697 wrote:Also once you have a decent amount of spellcasting it becomes hungerless anyways.

No. Casting the spell can be free (in terms of hunger), but the regeneration itself still adds 4 points of hunger per active turn, regardless of spellpower. (Trolls get +3 hunger / turn, for reference.)

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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 22:18

Re: Regen?

"It only gives 1 hp/turn"

People often die by ONLY a few hps.

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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 22:19

Re: Regen?

Don't trolls get +6 hunger per turn?
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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 22:51

Re: Regen?

PleasingFungus wrote:
Shard1697 wrote:Also once you have a decent amount of spellcasting it becomes hungerless anyways.

No. Casting the spell can be free (in terms of hunger), but the regeneration itself still adds 4 points of hunger per active turn, regardless of spellpower. (Trolls get +3 hunger / turn, for reference.)

Not that it matters, but...
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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 23:26

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Arrhythmia: 1) every character needs HP to live - Arrhythmia: 2) regen gives HP - Arrhythmia: 3) therefor, regen is good for every character
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Post Monday, 8th August 2016, 23:36

Re: Regen?

Regen is good in the early/mid game. It does nothing when you are 'in control' and can easily retreat, but any time you don't have a safe place to rest you want as much regeneration as you can get. Teleports/ Shafts/ Bad Exploration can all lead to situations where regen makes a considerable difference. Because I press o and use teleport scrolls even when I haven't cleared the floor, I often want a source of regen and value it equal to, maybe, a couple points of AC.

plus it makes pillar dancing more convenient...
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Post Tuesday, 9th August 2016, 00:33

Re: Regen?

It makes resting in hell a hell of a lot less annoying.
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Post Tuesday, 9th August 2016, 03:50

Re: Regen?

It makes resting, in general, less dangerous. When you aren't at max HP you are more vulnerable than you need to, and should, be. Regeneration helps minimize the number of turns in which you are in that vulnerable state. That's really good. The OP mentions the hunger but not the 3 MP cost which is a much bigger drawback.

(EDIT: The HP gain during combat shouldn't be discounted either but you spend a lot of the game resting and regen makes you a lot better at it for a very reasonable investment)
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Post Tuesday, 9th August 2016, 03:59

Re: Regen?

"Should I cast regen?"

do you have 3 or more currently unneeded MP? y/n
are you missing HP? y/n

if you answered yes to both, cast regen

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Post Tuesday, 9th August 2016, 04:50

Re: Regen?

You should also cast regen if you have 3 or more unneeded MP and full HP and anticipate that you will be fighting soon.

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