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Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 03:05by tabstorm
See attached poll. Which, if any, of the Lair branches do you think are harder than Vaults:1-4, assuming the same XL entering each branch? You can pick more than one.
Edit: Added a "none" option.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
Posted:
Thursday, 14th July 2016, 03:31by gammafunk
Which, if any, of the Lair branches do you think are harder than Vaults:1-4
You need to have an option for "none" if you want that "if any" part to make sense.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 03:40by Shard1697
I think specifically shoals 5 is harder than V1-4(on most characters), but not the rest of it.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 14:29by dowan
We're including vaults 5 in this? That's an important distinction, because I think vaults 5 is harder than anything in any of those branches. Slime kinda depends on how suited your character is for fighting TRJ in the hallway, an Enchanter being an example of a character who might find slime more difficult than most.
If we're ignoring vaults 5, then slime and shoals.
EDIT: It helps when you read the OP and not just the topic title...
Slime and shoals are my answer.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 15:36by Sprucery
dowan wrote:We're including vaults 5 in this?
No, the question is "Which Lair branches are harder than Vaults: 1-4?"
Shoals: 5 is kind of funny, because it's the most dangerous level of these (barring Slime:6 I guess), unless you have a source of invisibility, in which case it is one of the easiest.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 16:26by arandomperson12
I think lair branches are only 4 long (besides slime).
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 17:59by PleasingFungus
They were 5 levels long until, uh, maybe six months ago? Which is why some people are still referring to the old lengths.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 18:17by Sprucery
PleasingFungus wrote:They were 5 levels long until, uh, maybe six months ago? Which is why some people are still referring to the old lengths.
Oh yeah. I can barely remember that Vaults is not 8 and Elf not 7 :)
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Thursday, 14th July 2016, 20:27by and into
Voted Shoals and Slime, but it does depend on character and what exactly spawns in the Lair branches.
Funny anecdote: Had a hell of a time on last level of Swamp (of all places) recently; all three stairs were fairly close to the lernean vault, and like 4 uniques spawned (including Mara). Eventually got the rune but had to use a lot of consumables and had one really close call. Way tougher than Vaults 1–4, that was.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 03:32by milski
I think that Shoals 1-3 is probably harder than Vaults 1-4; Shoals 4 definitely is. On the other hand, I think that the last level of Slime is disproportionately difficult to the rest of Slime (which is mostly just super tedious and likely to mutate you and/or filler to dive), so Slime isn't really harder than Vaults except for the last floor.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 05:07by crate
Do I include V not trying to annoy me to death in my analysis?
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 05:32by duvessa
crate wrote:Do I include V not trying to annoy me to death in my analysis?
it has entropy weavers now
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 10:55by 4Hooves2Appendages
So does spider. Ough.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 11:12by stickyfingers
And those are fast now. WTF.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Friday, 15th July 2016, 16:31by Airwolf
I think "assuming the same XL [and gear] entering each branch" means you'd get murdered by the first vaults warden, yaktaur pack, etc you see in Vaults at XL 16 or whatever you normally enter Shoals with.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Saturday, 16th July 2016, 00:15by tabstorm
Airwolf wrote:I think "assuming the same XL [and gear] entering each branch" means you'd get murdered by the first vaults warden, yaktaur pack, etc you see in Vaults at XL 16 or whatever you normally enter Shoals with.
It dosen't, trust me.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Saturday, 16th July 2016, 06:37by TonberryJam
Water Nymphs are always tough to beat. All that drowning...
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Saturday, 16th July 2016, 11:33by dynast
Someone has to arena merfolk javeliner vs yaktaur and merfolk impaler vs all sorts of vault stuff. For me, the most threatening stuff in vaults are elf packs.
Re: Lair branches harder than Vaults
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Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:22by genericpseudonym
dynast wrote:Someone has to arena merfolk javeliner vs yaktaur and merfolk impaler vs all sorts of vault stuff. For me, the most threatening stuff in vaults are elf packs.
Even with much lower stats Merfolk would be scarier than Yaks because Shoals doesn't have corridors and doorways, and they all have ranged or at least reaching attacks.