Rename "Deep Dwarf" into "Dwarf"

[Shtopit]

Right now, the only playable dwarf race is the deep dwarf.

The game currently doesn't display many dwarves as opponents. I can only think of the uniques Wiglaf and Jorgrun. Jorgrun is a Dwarf, Wiglaf a Mountain Dwarf. I pretty much never met any other dwarves in 0.18.

Deep Dwarves respect the standard view of Dwarves as a hardy race (damage shaving) of artisans (high evo) with a decent aptitude with axes. They are unusual dwarves because they are good sneakers and not-too-good fighters, but they also have strong earth magic aptitude, which is a typical dwarf thing. The special relationship with the dungeon environment is similar to the "stonecunning" in D&D 3.5, which was common to all dwarves; and dwarves are very often subterranean creatures, and therefore "deep".

My suggestion is that of renaming the player race into Dwarf; the typical character of the Dwarf race would be lack of natural regeneration. Wiglaf and Jorgrun could be remade into e.g. Half Dwarves, preserving their regeneration.

[Wahaha]

This would be too confusing for players with an RPG or fantasy lore background, which is most players.

[Siegurt]

Rename deep dwarf to red dwarf, because reasons.

[yesno]

remane deep dwarf to dip dorf

[CanOfWorms]

rename deep dwarf to mountain dwarf, then remove them (again)

[duvessa]

common dwarfs:
dwarf
dark dwarf
deep dwarf
hill dwarf
mountain dwarf
beard dwarf
dwarf dwarf

uncommon dwarfs:
tree dwarf
red dwarf
butt dwarf
elf dwarf
brown dwarf

[Rast]

I agree with OP, as long as we also remove their device recharging and no HP regen.

[johlstei]

I agree with the OP. I'd also change High Elf and Deep Elf to Half-Elf and Elf personally but that's just me.

[genericpseudonym]

I'd remove High Elf (they are the MD to Tengu's Mi) and rename Deep Elf to Elf.

Plus then you get a better excuse for why DE blademasters and such exist despite DE PCs being rather bad at melee.

[ololoev]

FR: make orcish mines spawn Elven Halls with 1/2 chance, otherwise spawn DWARF FORTRESS!

[ydeve]

FR: make orcish mines spawn Elven Halls with 1/2 chance, otherwise spawn DWARF FORTRESS!

FR replace pan lords with forgotten beasts.

A towering, beakless woodpecker. It has a square shell and appears to be emaciated. Its cobalt feathers are patchy. Beware its webs! Äb was associated with treachery and caverns.

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@ Shtopit:

I don't feel strongly either way, and the renaming you suggest would be easy enough to implement, but why do you think this would be a good idea to do so? It does also seem like the name "Dwarf" could confuse newer players, who are used to a particular gaming archetype that does not include "non-regenerative." The adjective "deep" at least tips off that something is "different" about the dwarves in this game.

Note also that there isn't a vanilla "Elf" species, either (though there used to be, iirc, along with a few other flavors of elf).

[PleasingFungus]

elf, grey elf, high elf, deep elf, sludge elf

i'm not a fan of renaming anything to Elf, since that creates horrible category/element confusion. compare e.g. trying to say "i'm using a shield, but not a buckler or a large shield". "i killed an elf, but not a deep elf or..."

technically there's already an 'elf' genus/species monster that causes this problem, but it only really exists for derived undead, where there isn't ambiguity.

[minmay]

(though there used to be, iirc, along with a few other flavors of elf)

actually the relevant chemistry is the same for all the elf species, any variance in taste is due to individual diet/hygiene differences