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List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 15:58
by minmay
erica x margery
agnes x the enchantress
vashnia x lamia
eustachio x fannar
blork x urug
minmay x duvessa
asmodeus x dispater
lom lobon x sif muna
norris x rupert
azrael x the player character
sigmund x jessica
louise x margery
sonja x snorg

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:00
by infinitevox
dowan x duvessa

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:01
by duvessa
infinitevox wrote:dowan x duvessa
is it possible to give a post negative thanks

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:15
by Hellmonk
Aircraft carrier
Battleship
Submarine
Destroyer
Patrol boat

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:17
by Lacuenta
Black pearl

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:23
by Magipi
Is this another Cerekov thread?

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 16:24
by pubby
Hellmonk wrote:Submarine
Patrol boat

This is where you're WRONG

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:22
by Rast
infinitevox wrote:dowan x duvessa

That's canon.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:22
by Shtopit
Rast wrote:
infinitevox wrote:dowan x duvessa

That's canon.

Unnnnnconfortable.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:32
by Sar
  Code:
Dowan breathes, "And she was my only..."

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:48
by Shard1697
  Code:
"...platonic sibling who I grew up with, you weird nerds!"

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:57
by njvack
the player character x the player character's illusion

also, USS Enterprise

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 18:58
by dynast
Tiamat x tahua

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 19:05
by wheals
Norris x Jozef

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 19:32
by Shard1697
Nessos x Vashnia. they met at an archery convention. things are going good but Vashnia feels like Nessos is moving too fast

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 19:50
by dynast
Shard1697 wrote:Nessos x Vashnia. they met at an archery convention. things are going good but Vashnia feels like Nessos is moving too fast

Nessos offers to let Vashnia mount on his back, Vashnia agrees as she awkwardly climb his body and hugs his chest from behind. Vashnia's starts wrapping herself around Nessos's lower body. Nessos regrets his decision.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 21:09
by dracos369
crazy yuif x psyche

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 21:27
by Shtopit
Crazy Yiuf actually looks like the kind of guy who gets a lot of action.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 21:31
by Arrhythmia
crazy yiuf x crazy yiuf

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Monday, 20th June 2016, 22:58
by wizzzargh
Of these, the only one I've seen evidence for is Sigmund x Jessica and that was secondhand rumour
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Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 06:28
by Cheibrodos
Sonja x Pikel

gamma's ship of choice

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 06:33
by Tiktacy
Tree vines x eldrich tentacle

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 07:45
by gammafunk
Sonja x Pikel is the only thing worse than waffle stomping. If you see Cheibrodos join your chat and you have a weak stomach at the time, I suggest closing the chat box immediately.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 07:57
by pumpyscump
Merfolk Javelineer x Plant

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 08:01
by Sar
Cheibrodos wrote:Sonja x Pikel

I remember there was some really well drawn porn of that.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 08:23
by Zooty
Kestrel A

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 09:28
by andreas
  Code:
   Tell me now, you Muses who have your homes on Olympos.
   For you, who are goddesses, are there, and you know all things,
   and we have heard only the rumour of it and know nothing.
   Who then of those were the chief men and the lords of the Danaans?
   I could not tell over the multitude of them nor name them,
   not if I had ten tongues and ten mouths, not if I had
   a voice never to be broken and a heart of bronze within me,
   not unless the Muses of Olympia, daughters
   of Zeus of the aegis, remembered all those who came beneath Ilion.
   I will tell the lords of the ships, and the ships' numbers.


   Leïtos and Peneleos were leaders of the Boiotians,
   with Arkesilaos and Prothoenor and Klonios;
   they who lived in Hyria and in rocky Aulis,
   in the hill-bends of Eteonos, and Schoinos, and Skolos,
   Thespeia and Graia, and in spacious Mykalessos;
   they who dwelt about Harma and Eilesion and Erythrai,
   they who held Eleon and Hyle and Peteon,
   with Okalea and Medeon, the strong-founded citadel,
   Kopai, and Eutresis, and Thisbe of the dove-cotes;
   they who held Koroneia, and the meadows of Haliartos,
   they who held Plataia, and they who dwelt about Glisa,
   they who held the lower Thebes, the strong-founded citadel,
   and Onchestos the sacred, the shining grove of Poseidon;
   they who held Arne of the great vineyards, and Mideia,
   with Nisa the sacrosanct and uttermost Anthedon.
   Of these there were fifty ships in all, and on board
   each of these a hundred and twenty sons of the Boiotians.


   But they who lived in Aspledon and Orchomenos of the Minyai,
   Askalaphos led these, and Ialmenos, children of Ares,
   whom Astyoche bore to him in the house of Aktor
   Azeus' son, a modest maiden; she went into the chamber
   with strong Ares, who was laid in bed with her secretly.
   With these two there were marshalled thirty hollow vessels.


   Schedios and Epistrophos led the men of Phokis,
   children of Iphitos, who was son of great-hearted Naubolos.
   These held Kyparissos, and rocky Pytho, and Krisa
   the sacrosanct together with Daulis and Panopeus;
   they who lived about Hyampolis and Anamoreia,
   they who dwelt about Kephisos, the river immortal,
   they who held Lilaia beside the well springs of Kephisos.
   Following along with these were forty black ships,
   and the leaders marshalling the ranks of the Phokians set them
   in arms on the left wing of the host beside the Boiotians.


   Swift Aias son of Oïleus led the men of Lokris,
   the lesser Aias, not great in size like the son of Telamon,
   but far slighter. He was a small man armoured in linen,
   yet with the throwing spear surpassed all Achaians and Hellenes.
   These were the dwellers in Kynos and Opoeis and Kalliaros,
   and in Bessa, and Skarphe, and lovely Augeiai,
   in Thronion and Tarphe and beside the waters of Boagrios.
   Following along with him were forty black ships
   of the Lokrians, who dwell across from sacred Euboia.


   They who held Euboia, the Abantes, whose wind was fury,
   Chalkis, and Eretria, the great vineyards of Histiaia,
   and seaborne Kerinthos and the steep stronghold of Dion,
   they who held Karystos and they who dwelt about Styra,
   of these the leader was Elephenor, scion of Ares,
   son of Chalkodon and lord of the great-hearted Abantes.
   And the running Abantes followed with him, their hair grown
   long at the back, spearmen furious with the out-reached ash spear
   to rip the corselets girt about the chests of their enemies.
   Following along with him were forty black ships.


   But the men who held Athens, the strong-founded citadel,
   the deme of great-hearted Erechtheus, whom once Athene
   Zeus' daughter tended after the grain-giving fields had born him,
   and established him to be in Athens in her own rich temple;
   there as the circling years go by the sons of the Athenians
   make propitiation with rams and bulls sacrificed;
   of these men the leader was Peteos' son Menestheus.
   Never on earth before had there been a man born like him
   for the arrangement in order of horses and shielded fighters.
   Nestor alone could challenge him, since he was far older.
   Following along with him were fifty black ships.


   Out of Salamis Aias brought twelve ships and placed them
   next to where the Athenian battalions were drawn up.


   They who held Argos and Tiryns of the huge walls,
   Hermione and Asine lying down the deep gulf,
   Troizen and Eïonai, and Epidauros of the vineyards,
   they who held Aigina and Mases, sons of the Achaians,
   of these the leader was Diomedes of the great war cry
   with Sthenelos, own son to the high-renowned Kapaneus,
   and with them as a third went Euryalos, a man godlike,
   son of Mekisteus the king, and scion of Talaos;
   but the leader of all was Diomedes of the great war cry.
   Following along with these were eighty black ships.


   But the men who held Mykenai, the strong-founded citadel,
   Korinth the luxurious, and strong-founded Kleonai;
   they who dwelt in Orneai and lovely Araithyrea,
   and Sikyon, where of old Adrestos had held the kingship;
   they who held Hyperesia and steep Gonoëssa,
   they who held Pellene and they who dwelt about Aigion,
   all about the sea-shore and about the wide headland of Helike,
   of their hundred ships the leader was powerful Agamemnon,
   Atreus' son, with whom followed far the best and bravest
   people; and among them he himself stood armoured in shining
   bronze, glorying, conspicuous among the great fighters,
   since he was greatest among them all, and led the most people.


   They who held the swarming hollow of Lakedaimon,
   Pharis, and Sparta, and Messe of the dove-cotes,
   they who dwelt in Bryseiai and lovely Augeiai,
   they who held Amyklai and the seaward city of Helos,
   they who held Laas, and they who dwelt about Oitylos,
   of these his brother Menelaos of the great war cry
   was leader, with sixty ships marshalled apart from the others.
   He himself went among them in the confidence of his valour,
   driving them battleward, since above all his heart was eager
   to avenge Helen's longing to escape and her lamentations.


   They who dwelt about Pylos and lovely Arene,
   and Thryon, the Alpheios crossing, and strong-built Aipy;
   they who lived in Kyparisseeis and Amphigeneia,
   Pteleos and Helos and Dorion, where the Muses
   encountering Thamyris the Thracian stopped him from singing
   as he came from Oichalia and Oichalian Eurytos;
   for he boasted that he would surpass, if the very Muses,
   daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis, were singing against him,
   and these in their anger struck him maimed, and the voice of wonder
   they took away, and made him a singer without memory;
   of these the leader was the Gerenian horseman, Nestor,
   in whose command were marshalled ninety hollow vessels.


   They who held Arkadia under the sheer peak, Kyllene,
   beside the tomb of Aipytos, where men fight at close quarters,
   they who dwelt in Orchomenos of the flocks, and Pheneos,
   about Rhipe and Stratia and windy Enispe;
   they who held Tegea and Mantineia the lovely,
   they who held Stymphalos, and dwelt about Parrhasia,
   their leader was Angkaios' son, powerful Agapenor.
   Sixty was the number of their ships, and in each ship
   went many men of Arkadia, well skilled in battle.
   Agamemnon the lord of men himself had given
   these for the crossing of the wine-blue sea their strong-benched vessels,
   Atreus' son, since the work of the sea was nothing to these men.


   They who lived in Bouprasion and brilliant Elis,
   all as much as Hyrmine and Myrsinos the uttermost
   and the Olenian rock and Alesion close between them,
   of these there were four chieftains, and with each man ten swift
   vessels followed, with many Epeian men on board them.
   Of two tens Thalpios and Amphimachos were leaders,
   of Aktor's seed, sons one of Kteatos, one of Eurytos.
   Ten more were led by Amaryngkeus' son, strong Diores,
   and of the fourth ten godlike Polyxeinos was leader,
   son of lord Agasthenes, of the race of Augeias.


   They who came from Doulichion and the sacred Echinai,
   islands, where men live across the water from Elis,
   Meges was the leader of these, a man like Ares,
   Phyleus' son, whom the rider dear to Zeus had begotten,
   Phyleus, who angered with his father had settled Doulichion.
   Following along with him were forty black ships.


   But Odysseus led the high-hearted men of Kephallenia,
   those who held Ithaka and leaf-trembling Neriton,
   those who dwelt about Krokyleia and rigged Aigilips,
   those who held Zakynthos and those who dwelt about Samos,
   those who held the mainland and the places next to the crossing.
   All these men were led by Odysseus, like Zeus in counsel.
   Following with him were twelve ships with bows red painted.


   Thoas son of Andraimon was leader of the Aitolians,
   those who dwelt in Pleuron and Olenos and Pylene,
   Kalydon of the rocks and Chalkis beside the sea-shore,
   since no longer were the sons of high-hearted Oineus living,
   nor Oineus himself, and fair-haired Meleagros had perished.
   So all the lordship of the Aitolians was given to Thoas.
   Following along with him were forty black ships.


   Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader of the Kretans,
   those who held Knosos and Gortyna of the great walls,
   Lyktos and Miletos and silver-shining Lykastos,
   and Phaistos and Rhytion, all towns well established,
   and others who dwelt beside them in Krete of the hundred cities.
   Of all these Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader,
   with Meriones, a match for the murderous Lord of Battles.
   Following along with these were eighty black ships.


   Herakles' son Tlepolemos the huge and mighty
   led from Rhodes nine ships with the proud men of Rhodes aboard them,
   those who dwelt about Rhodes and were ordered in triple division,
   Ialysos and Lindos and silver-shining Kameiros.
   Of all these Tlepolemos the spear-famed was leader,
   he whom Astyocheia bore to the strength of Herakles.
   Herakles brought her from Ephyra and the river Selleëis
   after he sacked many cities of strong, god-supported fighters.
   Now when Tlepolemos was grown in the strong-built mansion,
   he struck to death his own father's beloved uncle,
   Likymnios, scion of Ares, a man already ageing.
   At once he put ships together and assembled a host of people
   and went fugitive over the sea, since the others threatened,
   the rest of the sons and the grandsons of the strength of Herakles.
   And he came to Rhodes a wanderer, a man of misfortune,
   and they settled there in triple division by tribes, beloved
   of Zeus himself, who is lord over all gods and all men,
   Kronos' son, who showered the wonder of wealth upon them.


   Nireus from Syme led three balanced vessels,
   Nireus son of Aglaia and the king Charopos,
   Nireus, the most beautiful man who came beneath Ilion
   beyond the rest of the Danaans next after perfect Achilleus.
   But he was a man of poor strength and few people with him.


   They who held Nisyros and Krapathos and Kasos,
   and Kos, Eurypylos' city, and the islands called Kalydnai,
   of these again Pheidippos and Antiphos were the leaders,
   sons both of Thessalos who was born to the lord Herakles.
   In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels.


   Now all those who dwelt about Pelasgian Argos,
   those who lived by Alos and Alope and at Trachis,
   those who held Phthia and Hellas the land of fair women,
   who were called Myrmidons and Hellenes and Achaians,
   of all these and their fifty ships the lord was Achilleus.
   But these took no thought now for the grim clamour of battle
   since there was no one who could guide them into close order,
   since he, swift-footed brilliant Achilleus, lay where the ships were,
   angered over the girl of the lovely hair, Briseis,
   whom after much hard work he had taken away from Lyrnessos
   after he had sacked Lyrnessos and the walls of Thebe
   and struck down Epistrophos and Mynes the furious spearmen,
   children of Euenos, king, and son of Selepios.
   For her sake he lay grieving now, but was soon to rise up.


   They who held Phylake and Pyrasos of the flowers,
   the precinct of Demeter, and Iton, mother of sheepflocks,
   Antron by the sea-shore, and Pteleos deep in the meadows,
   of these in turn fighting Protesilaos was leader
   while he lived; but now the black earth had closed him under,
   whose wife, cheeks torn for grief, was left behind in Phylake
   and a marriage half completed; a Dardanian man had killed him
   as he leapt from his ship, far the first of all the Achaians.
   Yet these, longing as they did for their leader, did not go leaderless,
   but Podarkes, scion of Ares, set them in order,
   child of Iphikles, who in turn was son to Phylakos
   rich in flocks, full brother of high-hearted Protesilaos,
   younger born; but the elder man was braver also,
   Protesilaos, a man of battle; yet still the people
   lacked not a leader, though they longed for him and his valour.
   Following along with Podarkes were forty black ships.


   They who lived by Pherai beside the lake Boibeis,
   by Boibe and Glaphyrai and strong-founded Iolkos,
   of their eleven ships the dear son of Admetos was leader,
   Eumelos, born to Admetos by the beauty among women
   Alkestis, loveliest of all the daughters of Pelias.


   They who lived about Thaumakia and Methone,
   they who held Meliboia and rugged Olizon,
   of their seven ships the leader was Philoktetes
   skilled in the bow's work, and aboard each vessel were fifty
   oarsmen, each well skilled in the strength of the bow in battle.
   Yet he himself lay apart in the island, suffering strong pains,
   in Lemnos the sacrosanct, where the sons of the Achaians had left him
   in agony from the sore bite of the wicked water snake.
   There he lay apart in his pain; yet soon the Argives
   beside their ships were to remember lord Philoktetes.
   Yet these, longing as they did for their leader, did not go leaderless,
   but Medon, the bastard son of Oileus, set them in order,
   whom Rhene bore to Oïleus the sacker of cities.


   They who held Trikke and the terraced place of Ithome,
   and Oichalia, the city of Oichalian Eurytos,
   of these in turn the leaders were two sons of Asklepios,
   good healers both themselves, Podaleirios and Machaon.
   In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels.


   They who held Ormenios and the spring Hypereia,
   they who held Asterion and the pale peaks of Titanos,
   Eurypylos led these, the shining son of Euaimon.
   Following along with him were forty black ships.


   They who held Argissa and dwelt about Gyrtone,
   Orthe and Elone and the white city Oloösson,
   of these the leader was Polypoites, stubborn in battle,
   son of Peirithoös whose father was Zeus immortal,
   he whom glorious Hippodameia bore to Peirithoös
   on that day when he wreaked vengeance on the hairy beast men
   and drove them from Pelion and hurled them against the Aithikes;
   not by himself, for Leonteus was with him, scion of Ares,
   Leonteus, son of high-hearted Koronos the son of Kaineus.
   Following in the guidance of these were forty black ships.


   Gouneus from Kyphos led two and twenty vessels,
   and the Enienes and the Perrhaibians stubborn in battle
   followed him, they who made their homes by wintry Dodona,
   and they who by lovely Titaressos held the tilled acres,
   Titaressos, who into Peneios casts his bright current:
   yet he is not mixed with the silver whirls of Peneios,
   but like oil is floated along the surface above him:
   since he is broken from the water of Styx, the fearful oath-river.


   Prothoös son of Tenthredon was leader of the Magnesians,
   those who dwelt about Peneios and leaf-trembling
   Pelion. Of these Prothoös the swift-footed was leader.
   Following along with him were forty black ships.


   These then were the leaders and the princes among the Danaans.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 09:29
by Sprucery
Boris x Mennas, the forbidden love...

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 10:44
by Hands
Sprucery wrote:Boris x Mennas, the forbidden love...

The love that dare not speak its name.


Because, you know, silence.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 13:06
by Shtopit
Looks like I broke in during a marriage ceremony, with Menkaure helping Dowan officiate and a griffin acting as a witness.
Image

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 21st June 2016, 16:04
by Arrhythmia
That one guy who has drawn like, five hundred pictures of sif muna and xom in one-piece bathing suits x sif muna

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 8th July 2016, 23:44
by duvessa
Arrhythmia wrote:That one guy who has drawn like, five hundred pictures of sif muna and xom in one-piece bathing suits x sif muna
He drew a nude sif muna too

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 8th July 2016, 23:50
by Arrhythmia
duvessa wrote:
Arrhythmia wrote:That one guy who has drawn like, five hundred pictures of sif muna and xom in one-piece bathing suits x sif muna
He drew a nude sif muna too


i KNEW it!

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 8th July 2016, 23:51
by yesno
yes x no

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 9th July 2016, 04:40
by koboldina
duvessa wrote:
infinitevox wrote:dowan x duvessa
is it possible to give a post negative thanks


sigmund x edmund

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 9th July 2016, 13:42
by dynast
Purgy x Snorg
Polyphemus x plosive large rocks

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Sunday, 10th July 2016, 08:09
by Shard1697
Wiglaf x Donald

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 12th July 2016, 13:34
by wheals
Shard1697 wrote:Wiglaf x Donald

Selfcest?

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 12th July 2016, 14:14
by nago
And another dwarf met the axe.
Only jorgrun left to avenge their genocide and he is not even a real dwarf

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 12th July 2016, 19:51
by Arrhythmia
HMS Titanic
The Mayflower
The Pinta
USS Indianapolis

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Tuesday, 12th July 2016, 20:58
by ydeve
Sif x Trog
Yred x Oka
Xom x Xom

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 29th July 2016, 17:58
by removeelyvilon
Dowan breathes, "And she was my only..."


I'm sorry but this is not a natural thing to say in that situation no matter how you look at it.

Your only what? Sibling?

Why would you say that? Obviously you don't have multiple siblings. But if you grew up with only one sibling, you'd never experience how it would be to have multiple siblings, so why put emphasis on "only"? And what's with the "and"?

And why don't you just finish that sentence in the first place? I tell you why. Due to the emotional shock, you were about to spill the beans but realized you were about to say something you were conditioned not to say because it is a taboo in your society and catched yourself just in time and put on the Mr. Spock mode.

"Love" would just make indefinitely more sense.

I don't let "friend" count either because it would struck me as odd that somebody who puts so much emphasis on family relationship would refer to his sister only as a "friend". Twin sister even, even closer bond! Blood is thicker than water.

Also, it strikes me as exactly the botched attempt at humour that is just creepy and awkward that I came to expect from crawl.

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 29th July 2016, 19:30
by arandomperson12
Why are Dowan and Duvessa considered incestuous? Do they actually say that line (I don't read log that much, just map and health bar)? Also, are the posters named dowan and duvessa named after the uniques, or the other way around?

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 29th July 2016, 20:39
by Malevolent
Jiyva x Dungeon
Arachne x every spider in the Spider Lair
Mara x Mara x Mara

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 29th July 2016, 20:41
by dowan
Actually, it's a funny story, but Iljyb is named after me, and Donald is named after Duvessa. We are in fact brothers in real life (Me and Donald I mean). The unique Dowan is named after my brother Donald, and the unique Duvessa is named after this dream Iljyb had. (I think it was elf and/or cat related)

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Friday, 29th July 2016, 20:44
by BabyRage
Nessos x Agnes

Tentacled monstrosity x Agnes

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 30th July 2016, 01:16
by duvessa
Why do all these creeps want me to have sex with my own brother?

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 30th July 2016, 01:50
by Sar
well you know what they say about elves

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 30th July 2016, 03:03
by Shard1697
removeelyvilon wrote:Your only what? Sibling?
Yeah? that's not that weird dude, a lot more likely than anything else

Re: List of ships

PostPosted: Saturday, 30th July 2016, 04:52
by duvessa
I just. Man, if you want to fantasize about me, sure, go ahead, I know men are gross like that and there's nothing I can do about it. But can't you at least imagine me having sex with Terence or Erica or Aubrey Plaza instead? Or like, literally anyone else who isn't related to me?