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Either because they were removed or became non-optimal.

One of my former favorite builds was KoSt of Vehumet I think. Usually used Evaporate from the beginning all the way to the end along with some other spells I got along the way. Stabbing what I could, using spells on those I couldn't.

Back when twisted resurrection made permanent allies, you could stockpile them and waltz through tough levels with a horde of abominations.

You used to be able to pick up an early blowgun & kite basically every early dungeon threat to death. Now you need to spend xp in throwing, first.

rupert farming

Item duplication with Maurice using the Abyss.

Using ctele in v:5.

zot squatting

find blowgun on d1 = free ticket to lair
clear up to d27 before tackling level 5 of lair rune branches
shadow step to plants and mushrooms
pick death knight, win

You can't shadow step to plants anymore?! That was like the only (tactically advantageous) use for that ability.

amaril wrote:You can't shadow step to plants anymore?! That was like the only (tactically advantageous) use for that ability.

You can still use it for mass stabbings; works great most of the time, occasionally gets you murdered... oh, I see what you mean.

Back when St was a thing, you could fuck Mennas up by tossing a potion of mutation.

Killing Mennas the apis is easy and fun. Pearl dragon, maybe not, though.

Trivialising berserk rage with rSlow.

Finding an early ring of invisibility on an Octopode and ninjamurder yourself to your first and possibly second rune, and stealing vampiric double swords from hall of blade in between.

dpeg wrote:Trivialising berserk rage with rSlow.

stairs are kinda like rSlow

Strolling through the abyss with Crystal Plate and a ring of teleport.

ascension snozzcumbering

Standing next to a bunch of plants so you can safely blind draw escape decks to get piety.

Oh, some more come to mind:

1. Using stone of earth elementals to create them on the other side of the Elf:$ vault wall.
2. Casting Alter Self until you're happy with the mutation set.
3. Casting Mapping, Detect Items and Detect Monsters once you enter a new level.
4. Tomb of Dorokhloe.
5. Casting Sticky Flame at LOS range.
6. Swapping in the amulet of Gourmand before and after each corpse. With amulets in slots X, Y, the key sequence was: PXDYgePY. Every time.

I had the fun of doing all of that except for 1. (I think we learned that one from heteroy?)

- Digging walls with summon elemental.
- Using earth elementals to kill orbs of fire and many extended bosses
- Using earth elementals to tank everything while killing everything with bolt spells
- Using air elementals to kill almost everything

If i remember right, only summoning/air/earth 10 were needed to trivialize most of the game with summon elemental, although the air elemental message spam was completely insufferable.

sacrificing a bunch of permafood items immediately after joining nemelex and going to town with decks of wonders

Completely filling the temple floor with zombies to wait out Kiku wrath.

zapping yourself with random efects with rN+++ to cure rot

using a teletrap to distribute your summons across the level so they kill things for you

that still works with cbl and permanent tele traps!

adozu wrote:sacrificing a bunch of permafood items immediately after joining nemelex and going to town with decks of wonders

Oh yeah I remember doing this. I ascended with a FeTm of Nemelex doing this once. I just kept drawing experience cards.

crate wrote:using a teletrap to distribute your summons across the level so they kill things for you

Keeping your stash on a teletrap and using Stasis to access it.

Although technically still possible if you find a -tele art or you play as an ant man.

duvessa wrote:that still works with cbl and permanent tele traps!

good secret tech

should work with at least s2s also, since s2s isn't actually a summon

I can no longer go upstairs, and spam regeneration while resting on a cleared level to to make sure my skill points go into necromancy after gaining a bunch of XP, in order to take proper advantage of my pain weapon.

duvessa wrote:rupert farming

tell me about this one

Ring of permanent cTele + Blink.
IDing legendary decks as non-Nemelexites in attempts to find Elixir.
Silent digging for Passwall stabs (could still be awkwardly replicated with Silence + disintegration).
Enslaving a giant eyeball to paralyse TRJ.

Instakilling most statues with disintegrate.

doing tomb for the first rune on mube

duvessa wrote:doing tomb for the first rune on mube

What made this possible before? Also, please explain rupert farming.

Tiktacy wrote:What made this possible before?

lack of a rune lock

also lack of bennus, revenants, those weak guys who show up en masse and cast Dispel Undead...

As of chei as a speedrun start

Tiktacy wrote:Also, please explain rupert farming.

learndb wrote:Turn Rupert into a jelly, feed him items until he splits a bunch, polymorph the jellies into animals, use tame beasts on them, and then polymorph them into cool things. Ruined by devs; rest in peace.

Sprucery wrote:
Tiktacy wrote:Also, please explain rupert farming.

learndb wrote:Turn Rupert into a jelly, feed him items until he splits a bunch, polymorph the jellies into animals, use tame beasts on them, and then polymorph them into cool things. Ruined by devs; rest in peace.

That sounds hilarious.

Why do you have to use Rupert?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the HD

learndb wrote:<rwbarton> imagine a paralyzing, berserking golden dragon, and then imagine you have a dozen of them

Oh, the descendants kept his spells? Nice.

Killing stuff in the water with elec weapon discharges.

Sprucery wrote:
learndb wrote:<rwbarton> imagine a paralyzing, berserking golden dragon, and then imagine you have a dozen of them

LOL

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