What strategies can you no longer use?


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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 04:01

What strategies can you no longer use?

Either because they were removed or became non-optimal.

One of my former favorite builds was KoSt of Vehumet I think. Usually used Evaporate from the beginning all the way to the end along with some other spells I got along the way. Stabbing what I could, using spells on those I couldn't.
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 04:26

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Back when twisted resurrection made permanent allies, you could stockpile them and waltz through tough levels with a horde of abominations.

You used to be able to pick up an early blowgun & kite basically every early dungeon threat to death. Now you need to spend xp in throwing, first.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 04:47

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

rupert farming

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 06:44

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 11:59

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Using ctele in v:5.
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 20:13

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

zot squatting :(
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 20:47

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

find blowgun on d1 = free ticket to lair
clear up to d27 before tackling level 5 of lair rune branches
shadow step to plants and mushrooms
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 21:38

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

You can't shadow step to plants anymore?! That was like the only (tactically advantageous) use for that ability.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 21:46

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

amaril wrote:You can't shadow step to plants anymore?! That was like the only (tactically advantageous) use for that ability.


You can still use it for mass stabbings; works great most of the time, occasionally gets you murdered... oh, I see what you mean.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 21:52

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Back when St was a thing, you could fuck Mennas up by tossing a potion of mutation.

Killing Mennas the apis is easy and fun. Pearl dragon, maybe not, though.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 21:54

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Trivialising berserk rage with rSlow.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 22:20

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Finding an early ring of invisibility on an Octopode and ninjamurder yourself to your first and possibly second rune, and stealing vampiric double swords from hall of blade in between.

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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 22:28

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

dpeg wrote:Trivialising berserk rage with rSlow.
stairs are kinda like rSlow
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 22:54

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Strolling through the abyss with Crystal Plate and a ring of teleport.
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Post Thursday, 21st April 2016, 23:10

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

ascension snozzcumbering
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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 00:15

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Standing next to a bunch of plants so you can safely blind draw escape decks to get piety.

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 01:27

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Oh, some more come to mind:

1. Using stone of earth elementals to create them on the other side of the Elf:$ vault wall.
2. Casting Alter Self until you're happy with the mutation set.
3. Casting Mapping, Detect Items and Detect Monsters once you enter a new level.
4. Tomb of Dorokhloe.
5. Casting Sticky Flame at LOS range.
6. Swapping in the amulet of Gourmand before and after each corpse. With amulets in slots X, Y, the key sequence was: PXDYgePY. Every time.

I had the fun of doing all of that except for 1. (I think we learned that one from heteroy?)

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 03:05

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

- Digging walls with summon elemental.
- Using earth elementals to kill orbs of fire and many extended bosses
- Using earth elementals to tank everything while killing everything with bolt spells
- Using air elementals to kill almost everything

If i remember right, only summoning/air/earth 10 were needed to trivialize most of the game with summon elemental, although the air elemental message spam was completely insufferable.

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 15:44

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

sacrificing a bunch of permafood items immediately after joining nemelex and going to town with decks of wonders

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 17:43

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Completely filling the temple floor with zombies to wait out Kiku wrath.
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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 22:47

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

zapping yourself with random efects with rN+++ to cure rot
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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 22:52

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

using a teletrap to distribute your summons across the level so they kill things for you

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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 23:20

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

that still works with cbl and permanent tele traps!
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Post Friday, 22nd April 2016, 23:20

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

adozu wrote:sacrificing a bunch of permafood items immediately after joining nemelex and going to town with decks of wonders

Oh yeah I remember doing this. I ascended with a FeTm of Nemelex doing this once. I just kept drawing experience cards.
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Post Saturday, 23rd April 2016, 00:01

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

crate wrote:using a teletrap to distribute your summons across the level so they kill things for you


Keeping your stash on a teletrap and using Stasis to access it.

Although technically still possible if you find a -tele art or you play as an ant man.

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Post Saturday, 23rd April 2016, 01:09

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

duvessa wrote:that still works with cbl and permanent tele traps!

good secret tech

should work with at least s2s also, since s2s isn't actually a summon

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Post Saturday, 23rd April 2016, 03:06

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

I can no longer go upstairs, and spam regeneration while resting on a cleared level to to make sure my skill points go into necromancy after gaining a bunch of XP, in order to take proper advantage of my pain weapon.
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Post Saturday, 23rd April 2016, 05:53

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

duvessa wrote:rupert farming


tell me about this one
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Post Sunday, 24th April 2016, 12:47

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Ring of permanent cTele + Blink.
IDing legendary decks as non-Nemelexites in attempts to find Elixir.
Silent digging for Passwall stabs (could still be awkwardly replicated with Silence + disintegration).
Enslaving a giant eyeball to paralyse TRJ.
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Post Sunday, 24th April 2016, 15:05

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Instakilling most statues with disintegrate.
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Post Saturday, 30th April 2016, 09:37

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

doing tomb for the first rune on mube
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Post Saturday, 30th April 2016, 16:12

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

duvessa wrote:doing tomb for the first rune on mube


What made this possible before? Also, please explain rupert farming.
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Post Saturday, 30th April 2016, 17:13

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Tiktacy wrote:What made this possible before?

lack of a rune lock

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Post Saturday, 30th April 2016, 18:40

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

also lack of bennus, revenants, those weak guys who show up en masse and cast Dispel Undead...
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Post Sunday, 1st May 2016, 01:00

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

As of chei as a speedrun start
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Post Sunday, 1st May 2016, 22:22

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Tiktacy wrote:Also, please explain rupert farming.

learndb wrote:Turn Rupert into a jelly, feed him items until he splits a bunch, polymorph the jellies into animals, use tame beasts on them, and then polymorph them into cool things. Ruined by devs; rest in peace.
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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 05:55

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Sprucery wrote:
Tiktacy wrote:Also, please explain rupert farming.

learndb wrote:Turn Rupert into a jelly, feed him items until he splits a bunch, polymorph the jellies into animals, use tame beasts on them, and then polymorph them into cool things. Ruined by devs; rest in peace.


That sounds hilarious.
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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 18:30

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Why do you have to use Rupert?
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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 19:19

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the HD
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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 19:51

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

learndb wrote:<rwbarton> imagine a paralyzing, berserking golden dragon, and then imagine you have a dozen of them
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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 22:06

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Oh, the descendants kept his spells? Nice.

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Post Monday, 2nd May 2016, 23:01

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Killing stuff in the water with elec weapon discharges.
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Post Tuesday, 3rd May 2016, 01:29

Re: What strategies can you no longer use?

Sprucery wrote:
learndb wrote:<rwbarton> imagine a paralyzing, berserking golden dragon, and then imagine you have a dozen of them


LOL
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