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New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 19:33by Dungeoneer
Maybe add another Draconian color(?), BONY draconian.
Gets either:
1) rN+, +2 to necromancy and a draining breath
2) +1 to necromancy and slight resistance to torment.
Re: New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 19:43by ontoclasm
but why
Re: New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 20:37by infinitevox
Re: New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:00by Croases
New players could be confused into scumming for non-existent necromancy draconians because there is implied symmetry between them and dragons. Therefore the lack of bone draconians is spoilery and should be eliminated from the game (or else rename draconians to something that has no relationship with dragons).
On that topic, acid dragons (yes, with acid cloud breath) and pearl draconians, please.
Re: New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:12by bcadren
Be much easier to create a Shadow Draconian that gets some form of draining breath and Stealth++ then some suddenly (half?)-undead bone one.
Re: New draconian color
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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 21:41by Jeremiah
FR: Draconians have a 1% chance of being the spawn of Tiamat and changing colour every turn.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 01:00by dynast
Because draconian colors play a interesting role on a draconian playstyle. The only reason to not have more colors is "you dont want to add more content to the game". Of course, i dont agree with the OP, since draining breath belongs to draconian ghosts, or shadow dragons. Black drakes, on the other hand, breath miasma, having a black draconian with rRot, miasma breath(weaker, single tile cloud or no cloud at all, with a bigger breath timer) and maybe some necro apt could work.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 01:40by duvessa
Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:03by njvack
Obviously no one has tried saying "bony draconian" out loud, if you had it would already be in the game.
It's enough to make me want to have one more kid so I can name it "Bony Draconian"
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:13by Clownie
duvessa wrote:Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.
Explain?
I agree with the gist of the idea, but more species, more draconian colours, more unrands etc. doesn't seem like an inherently bad thing to me.
Variety improves the game; options (that make the player more powerful) detract from it.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:15by dynast
duvessa wrote:Adding more "content" to the game is inherently bad, so that's a pretty good reason to not want to do it.
Go back to jellyfish lair.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 03:24by duvessa
Anything you add is another thing that new players have to learn about.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 05:44by Sar
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 09:29by Tiktacy
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 10:23by adozu
in duvessa's perfect vision of purity crawl is no longer tha game we know, it's a big small, featureless, empty white room with a single jackal in it, looking at you.
if you stare at it long enough you realise it was not the jackal biting you, it was you biting yourself all along... only then you can achieve the ORB, the purest state of mind where a crawler is one with the everything and victory is pure and true.
it's the year 2099 and dcss now means "dungeon crawl soupless stone"
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 11:59by lethediver
Shadow draconian with draining breath and +1 necro gets my vote.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:28by Croases
adozu wrote:in duvessa's perfect vision of purity crawl is no longer tha game we know, it's a big small, featureless, empty white room with a single jackal in it, looking at you.
We shall abolish the concept of fun. Our devs are at work upon it now. There will be no play, except play towards optimal survival. There will be no victory, except the victory of ascending with the orb and three runes. There will be no challenge gods, no personal conducts, no using rare artifacts for their novelty. When everybody chooses CeBe for optimal early game we shall have no more need for spells. All competing playstyles will be destroyed.
But always - do not forget this, adozu - always there will be the enforcement of theoretically optimal behavior, constantly increasing and constantly growing bolder. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of choosing the best course of action, and of whining on GDD for removals whenever you die in spite of it.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a berserker fighting a jackal - for ever.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:43by dpeg
Croases wrote:We shall abolish the concept of fun. Our devs are at work upon it now. There will be no play, except play towards optimal survival. etc. ad nauseam
Do you guys ever get tired of this?
I guess every devteam gets the players it deserves.
Croases: you are always welcome to pack your things and play something else. I won't miss you!
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:55by adozu
now now, i just thought i'd throw toghether a jackal pack joke, duvessa's minimalism, a matrix quote and playing around with the idea of "ascending" with the orb and see if something funny came out of it, i didn't mean to make a political critique of crawl
overall i don't think devs are chasing after optimal play so much or we wouldn't have gozag
Posted:
Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:56by Turukano
*** Request for temporarily locking this topic ***
At the moment the topic isn't about draconian colours.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 12:57by adozu
are we really suggesting we stay on topic in CYC?
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:02by Sar
new draconian color: developer draconians
gets resistance to criticism, negative fun aptitude, huge removal aptitude
breath: exploding mountain dwarves
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:02by Turukano
adozu wrote:are we really suggesting we stay on topic in CYC?
No.
Request for locking was because I got the feeling that people got angry.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:27by Croases
dpeg wrote:Do you guys ever get tired of this?
Of what, spoofing 1984? No, of course not.
That said, I was making fun of duvessa's take on what Crawl should be. I don't think this is what Crawl currently is, or where the dev team intends to take it.
If anything, he should be insulted by it.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:34by Sprucery
new draconian color: tavern poster draconians
gets resistance to sensible arguments, vulnerability to tedious but optimal play, huge complaining aptitude
breath: slippery slope & strawman arguments (stuns the opponent)
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 13:43by Sar
Good post, Sprucery. Good AND on topic!
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:00by Lasty
Why lock this thread? It's got several of the best comedy posts I've seen in weeks. Nice work folks.
Sar: We devs wish we got rCriticism for free. We have to eat the corpses of deceased devs until we get it.
dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:02by Sar
tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell
summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment
somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:09by dpeg
Lasty wrote:dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.
Yeah, but I got sick of the meme anyway.
Perhaps I can rally enough support to remove a draconian colour for the next release.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:14by ZipZipskins
B-O-N-Y, you ain't got no alibi
dpeg wrote:Lasty wrote:dpeg: I genuinely don't think Croases was meaning to insult the dev team.
Yeah, but I got sick of the meme anyway.
Perhaps I can rally enough support to remove a draconian colour for the next release.
Please do, take out yellow or green, I'm 100% with you
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:17by ZipZipskins
Or better yet, yellow AND green
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:25by adozu
and mottled, it's just like a red draconian but with poor hygiene
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:27by dpeg
Now we're talking!
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 14:50by ydeve
Yes please, remove the colors that aren't as useful.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:07by ZipZipskins
ydeve wrote:Yes please, remove the colors that aren't as useful.
I'd be cool with red and white going too, I just feel like there are about two too many. I just picked yellow and green because of course I'm most likely to be all, "aw man..."
White and yellow?
dony braconian
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:15by njvack
brony draconian: gets the powers of one of the My Little Pony main characters.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 15:20by dynast
No matter how hard you try, you never gonna get rid of draconian colors, only add more. Also, we just got a new drake color in lair.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 18:00by Dungeoneer
njvack wrote:brony draconian: gets the powers of one of the My Little Pony main characters.
Why dont you just kill me.
pls no
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 18:56by Sar
brony draconian: gets fat
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 19:57by CanOfWorms
you know what, just remove all draconian colours. don't let them mature, like our players
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 20:09by dynast
But i want my draconian colors, i want I WANT I WANT!
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 21:57by TeshiAlair
Swapping mottled for shadow would honestly make me so happy, I love the idea of a necro-focused draconian because there are enough useful low-level necro spells that make the color swap actually really useful.
Re: New draconian color
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Thursday, 10th March 2016, 22:49by Clownie
TeshiAlair wrote:Swapping mottled for shadow would honestly make me so happy, I love the idea of a necro-focused draconian because there are enough useful low-level necro spells that make the color swap actually really useful.
thanks
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 01:14by ydeve
CanOfWorms wrote:you know what, just remove all draconian colours. don't let them mature, like our players
thanks
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 02:19by duvessa
do shadow draconian ghosts get their draining breath converted to draining breath?
also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 02:23by Clownie
duvessa wrote:do shadow draconian ghosts get their draining breath converted to draining breath?
also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore
Let's be entirely fair here, getting green draconian after converting to TSO is already a thing too.
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 04:46by dynast
Do you get penance from breathing gas? i thought you couldnt poison enemies under TSO(or use poison spells, which then includes meph), sure you cant attack confused enemies, but you can benefit from it still. Also, who worships TSO as a Dr?
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 05:51by ydeve
duvessa wrote:also this is the part of the thread where usually someone would say "we can't have shadow draconians because what happens if someone goes tso/ely/zin then turns into one", but dithmenos' awful fire conduct is in the game now, so that argument doesn't really work anymore
It's not like you can't leave them for another god if you want to. There's no wrath after all, so it's less harsh than RedDr^Dith.
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 17:45by infinitevox
Sar wrote:tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell
summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment
somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves
There
has been multiple requests for a level 9 Poison spell....
Re: New draconian color
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Friday, 11th March 2016, 18:56by nago
Sar wrote:tbh I think Exploding Mounting Dwarves would be a good spell
summons a 1dX inner flamed lethally poisoned mountain dwarves with fear enchantment
somebody already suggested that with sheep and/or kobolds, but it's funnier with dwarves
Here, take my thanks