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Wednesday, 9th March 2016, 22:27
Sil for crawl Players
I've been playing a lot of Sil recently; specifically mpa-sil. It's dope and I highly recommend it.
Some dungeon crawling questions about it:
- What does good combat ground look like? Monsters are wise to the hide in a corridor tactic and will only enter them reluctantly, or after they've sent someone around to surround you. While you can trick them in, the risk of getting surrounded is still higher, so a plain corridor won't do well. I've figured out a few things, but when and where to retreat has gotten me killed quite a few times.
- How important are elemental resists? In crawl, with the exception of a few areas, the trade of two points of AC for a pip of rF is debated in usefulness in crawl. In Sil having rF reduces the number of damage die of flame melee attacks, which later on saves you 1d10 or more. It seems like a bigger swing.
- How dangerous is the Feanorian brand? In crawl if you're strong OOD monsters don't bother you too much. In Sil it seems like (the few turns I tried it) suicide at the 500ft level, but at 900ft probably not a big deal and worth the trade off.
- How do you manage as a stealthy pacifist or opportunist? Whenever I get noticed it quickly turns into a I'm surrounded and dead situation. Crawl no longer has pacifists, but stabbers tend to rely on the "teleport out of bad situations" technique, which is not available in Sil.
- How useful is smithing as a secondary skill? I've run a Feanor which took two points to guarantee getting an ok sword but those 300xp seem like they could be better spent elsewhere; good swords turn up soon enough. I've also run the Fingolfin below which was a Jeweler from the start; this seemed way more useful (Accuracy and Evasion rings at the beginning, and after finding either an enchanted forge or gauntlets of the forge a +0 Amulet of the Blessed Realm. Later on after finding mithril, some Feanorian lamps.) How much could one get out of weaponsmith with 4 smithing points at the start as a Feanor instead of a Fingolfin?
And a chardump from my most recent run two-shotted by an Ururauko for general commentary.
Some dungeon crawling questions about it:
- What does good combat ground look like? Monsters are wise to the hide in a corridor tactic and will only enter them reluctantly, or after they've sent someone around to surround you. While you can trick them in, the risk of getting surrounded is still higher, so a plain corridor won't do well. I've figured out a few things, but when and where to retreat has gotten me killed quite a few times.
- How important are elemental resists? In crawl, with the exception of a few areas, the trade of two points of AC for a pip of rF is debated in usefulness in crawl. In Sil having rF reduces the number of damage die of flame melee attacks, which later on saves you 1d10 or more. It seems like a bigger swing.
- How dangerous is the Feanorian brand? In crawl if you're strong OOD monsters don't bother you too much. In Sil it seems like (the few turns I tried it) suicide at the 500ft level, but at 900ft probably not a big deal and worth the trade off.
- How do you manage as a stealthy pacifist or opportunist? Whenever I get noticed it quickly turns into a I'm surrounded and dead situation. Crawl no longer has pacifists, but stabbers tend to rely on the "teleport out of bad situations" technique, which is not available in Sil.
- How useful is smithing as a secondary skill? I've run a Feanor which took two points to guarantee getting an ok sword but those 300xp seem like they could be better spent elsewhere; good swords turn up soon enough. I've also run the Fingolfin below which was a Jeweler from the start; this seemed way more useful (Accuracy and Evasion rings at the beginning, and after finding either an enchanted forge or gauntlets of the forge a +0 Amulet of the Blessed Realm. Later on after finding mithril, some Feanorian lamps.) How much could one get out of weaponsmith with 4 smithing points at the start as a Feanor instead of a Fingolfin?
And a chardump from my most recent run two-shotted by an Ururauko for general commentary.
- Code:
[Sil 1.3.0-mpa Character Dump]
Name Gunennie Age 49 Str 5 = 3 +2
Race Noldor Height Dex 5 = 3 +1 +1
House Fingolfin Weight Con 5
Gra 4 = 3 +1
Game Turn 23,543 Melee (+24,3d12) Melee 24 = 20 +5 -2 +1
Exp Pool 603 Bows (+16,2d11) Archery 16 = 10 +5 +1
Total Exp 61,903 Armor [+23,6-21] Evasion 23 = 20 +5 -2
Burden 121.5 Stealth 0 = 0 +5 -5
Max Burden 248.7 Health 0:49 Perception 10 = 5 +4 +1
Depth 900' Voice 41:41 Will 13 = 7 +4 +1 +1
Min Depth 850' Smithing 9 = 5 +4
Light Radius 5 Song 8 = 4 +4
You are one of several children of a warrior from the house of
Fingolfin. You have light grey eyes, straight black hair, and a fair
complexion.
[Last Messages]
> The Troll guard misses you.
> You miss the Troll guard.
> You hit the Troll guard.
> The Troll guard batters you.
> You hit the Troll guard! <2x>
> You have slain the Troll guard.
> You hit the Troll guard!!
> You have slain the Troll guard.
> The Ururauko hits you!
> You are enveloped in flames!
> You miss the Ururauko.
> The Ururauko hits you.
> You are enveloped in flames!
> You die.
> Illegal response to a 'more' prompt!
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[Equipment]
a) a Greatsword of Nargothrond (-1,3d6) [+1] 6.5 lb
It slays dragons and raukar. It requires both hands to wield
it properly.
b) The Longbow 'Belthronding' (+1,2d7) <+1> 3.0 lb
It improves your perception by 1. It cannot be harmed by the
elements. It can shoot arrows 20 squares (with your current
strength).
c) a Sapphire Ring of Dexterity <+1>
It increases your dexterity by 1. It sustains your dexterity.
d) a Bronze Ring of Damage <+1>
It improves your damage sides by 1.
e) a Driftwood Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+1>
It increases your grace by 1. It sustains your grace. It
lights the dungeon around you.
f) a Feanorian Lamp
g) a Mail Corslet of Protection [-3,2d6]
It cannot be harmed by the elements.
h) a Cloak of Warmth [+2]
It provides resistance to cold.
i) (nothing)
j) The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin [-2,1d4] <+1>
It increases your strength by 1. It improves your will by 1.
It provides resistance to fear and stunning. It cannot be
harmed by the elements.
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Strength (-1) [+0,1d1] <+1>
It increases your strength by 1.
l) a Pair of Greaves of Free Action [+0,1d2]
It grants you freedom of movement.
m) (nothing)
n) The Arrow 'Dailir' (+11)
It cannot be harmed by the elements. It can be shot 20
squares (with your current strength and bow).
[Inventory]
a) 2 Pale Herbs of Rage
b) a Russet Herb of Sustenance
c) 4 Wrinkled Herbs of Restoration
d) 7 Fragments of Lembas
e) 2 Clear Potions of Miruvor
f) 7 Murky Brown Potions of Orcish Liquor
g) 7 Shimmering Potions of Clarity
h) 14 Grey Potions of Slow Poison
i) a Dark Green Potion of Quickness
j) 2 Yellow Potions of Elemental Resistance
k) 4 Cloudy Potions of Strength
l) 7 Dark Potions of Grace
m) an Engraved Horn of Thunder
n) a Golden Staff of Revelations (3 charges)
o) a Golden Ring of Perception <+3>
It improves your perception by 3.
p) a Pearl Ring of Frost
It provides resistance to fire.
q) a Feanorian Lamp
r) a Mithril Shield of Frost (-1) [+0,1d6]
It provides resistance to fire. It cannot be harmed by the
elements.
s) The Dagger of Nargil (+5,1d5) 0.5 lb
It cuts easily through armour. It can be thrown effectively
(19 squares). It cannot be harmed by the elements.
t) a Greatsword of Hador's House (-1,3d6) [+1] 6.5 lb
It grants you the ability: Follow-Through. It requires both
hands to wield it properly.
u) a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2> 14.0 lb
It improves your tunneling by 2. It requires both hands to
wield it properly.
[Abilities]
Flaming Arrows
Dexterity
Dodging
Sprinting
Flanking
Keen Senses
Lore-Keeper
Inner Light
Hardiness
Poison Resistance
Jeweller
[Artefacts]
The Mail Corslet of Fingon
The Mail Corslet of Durin
The Dagger of Nargil (found)
The Dagger of Azaghal
The Greatsword 'Calris'
The Spear of Boldog (found)
The Great Spear of Melkor (found)
The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin (found)
The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin (found)
The Longbow 'Belthronding' (found)
The Arrow 'Dailir' (found)
The Pair of Boots of Taur-nu-Fuin (found)
The Set of Gloves of Rumil (found)
[Enemies]
8 / 12 Wolf
5 / 13 Tanglethorn
6 / 10 Orc
1 / 1 Grimhawk
10 / 12 Orc scout
9 / 9 Spider hatchling
4 / 4 Blue serpent
23 / 32 Orc soldier
3 / 12 Madthorn
1 / 1 Gorcrow
8 / 17 Orc archer
29 / 30 White wolf
2 / 2 Red serpent
(slain) Gorgol, the Butcher
48 / 61 Orc warrior
2 / 2 Sword spider
16 / 16 Crebain
6 / 6 Mewlip
2 / 2 Nightthorn
2 / 2 Green serpent
7 / 8 Mountain troll
2 / 2 Tattered wight
(slain) Boldog, the Merciless
4 / 9 Orc champion
41 / 59 Easterling warrior
14 / 15 Hummerhorn
5 / 6 Orc captain
28 / 32 Warg
3 / 3 Grave wight
1 / 1 Dark serpent
57 / 61 Whispering shadow
4 / 5 Distended spider
7 / 9 Easterling archer
(slain) Othrod, the Orc Lord
19 / 20 Snow troll
1 / 1 Barrow wight
1 / 1 Lurking horror
5 / 5 Giant
(slain) Uldor, the Accursed
6 / 6 Easterling spy
10 / 12 Shadow bat
9 / 9 Sulrauko
2 / 2 Fire-drake hatchling
(slain) Ulfang the Black
23 / 27 Werewolf
9 / 10 Shadow spider
6 / 6 Shadow
3 / 4 Sapphire serpent
(slain) Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
7 / 8 Ruby serpent
2 / 2 Creeping horror
10 / 13 Ringrauko
0 / 1 Deathblade
(slain) Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
17 / 17 Cave troll
3 / 3 Emerald serpent
2 / 2 Oathwraith
30 / 35 Cat warrior
9 / 10 Amethyst serpent
13 / 19 Kemenrauko
5 / 7 Grotesque
3 / 3 Young cold-drake
(slain) Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
(slain) Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
14 / 14 Spider of Gorgoroth
10 / 11 Greater werewolf
8 / 8 Adamant serpent
13 / 14 Lesser vampire
2 / 2 Cat assassin
(slain) Scatha the Worm
(slain) Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
1 / 1 Young fire-drake
3 / 3 Darting horror
2 / 2 Unmourned
20 / 23 Ururauko
(slain) Tevildo, Prince of Cats
(slain) Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
21 / 21 Troll guard
4 / 7 Vampire
2 / 2 Ancient ruby serpent
1 / 1 Gwathrauko
(slain) Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
[Notes]
Gunennie of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 8 Mar 2016
Turn Depth Note
843 100 ft (Jeweller)
919 100 ft Made a Topaz Ring of Evasion [+1] 0.1 lb
982 100 ft Made a Beryl Ring of Accuracy (+1) 0.1 lb
993 100 ft Made a Lesser Jewel 0.1 lb
3,077 250 ft Made an Amethyst Ring of Sustenance 0.1 lb
3,088 250 ft Made a Bloodstone Ring of Hunger 0.1 lb
3,099 250 ft Made a Crystal Amulet of Adornment 0.1 lb
3,795 300 ft Encountered Boldog, the Merciless
3,859 300 ft Slew Boldog, the Merciless
3,859 300 ft Found The Spear of Boldog
5,882 350 ft Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
5,885 350 ft Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
6,802 400 ft (Lore-Keeper)
7,894 400 ft Encountered Othrod, the Orc Lord
7,945 400 ft Slew Othrod, the Orc Lord
7,953 400 ft Found The Dagger of Nargil
10,324 500 ft Fell through a false floor
10,371 550 ft (Flanking)
10,394 550 ft Encountered Uldor, the Accursed
10,460 550 ft (Dodging)
10,519 550 ft Slew Uldor, the Accursed
10,794 550 ft (Inner Light)
10,919 550 ft Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
10,941 550 ft Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
10,971 550 ft (Keen Senses)
12,038 550 ft Encountered Ulfang the Black
12,122 550 ft Slew Ulfang the Black
12,999 600 ft Made a Driftwood Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+0> 0.1
lb
13,145 600 ft Made a Bronze Amulet of Haunted Dreams 0.1 lb
13,175 600 ft Made a Golden Amulet of Constitution <+0> 0.1 lb
13,185 600 ft Made a Bronze Ring of Damage <+0> 0.1 lb
13,441 600 ft (Hardiness)
14,205 650 ft Encountered Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
14,355 650 ft Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
14,403 650 ft Found The Set of Gloves of Rumil
14,678 650 ft (Flaming Arrows)
15,811 700 ft Encountered Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
15,878 700 ft Destroyed Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
15,916 700 ft (Dexterity)
18,812 750 ft Made a Jade Ring of Protection [+0,1d1] 0.1 lb
18,902 750 ft Made a Jet Ring of Warmth 0.1 lb
18,934 750 ft Made a Sapphire Ring of Dexterity <+0> 0.1 lb
19,024 750 ft Made an Adamant Ring of Venom's End 0.1 lb
19,077 750 ft (Poison Resistance)
19,087 750 ft Found The Pair of Boots of Taur-nu-Fuin
19,672 800 ft Encountered Scatha the Worm
19,697 800 ft Slew Scatha the Worm
19,938 800 ft Found The Arrow 'Dailir'
20,750 850 ft Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
20,814 850 ft Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
20,814 850 ft Found The Great Spear of Melkor
21,674 850 ft Found The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin
21,984 850 ft Made a Feanorian Lamp 1.0 lb
22,056 850 ft Made a Feanorian Lamp 1.0 lb
22,271 850 ft Made a Pearl Ring of Frost 0.1 lb
22,571 850 ft Encountered Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
22,581 850 ft Destroyed Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
22,789 850 ft Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
22,801 850 ft Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
22,806 850 ft Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
22,809 850 ft Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
22,809 850 ft Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
22,810 850 ft Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
22,856 850 ft Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
22,881 850 ft Found The Longbow 'Belthronding'
23,299 900 ft (Sprinting)
23,543 900 ft Slain by an Ururauko.
23,543 900 ft Died on 08 March 2016.
['Score' 018076457]
