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Ogre vs. Troll "Casters" (was: Race proposal: Moon Troll)
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If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it belongs here. Also, come here if you just need to get hammered.
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dynast wrote:Despite the fact you dont do anything other than claw stuff in the beginning no matter what background you pick for him, so you are not doing any of the things he supposedly the best at.
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Hirsch I wrote:@duvessa: aren't troll claws stronger than forms? do they stack with any of them?
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kuniqs wrote:Kids, keep in mind that duvessa operates on D&D logic, where Mages are the best class 'cause they get Wish at lvl 18.
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dynast wrote:Oh please, then troll is the best at everything by that stupid premise.
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pubby wrote:I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Caster Trolls with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Berder and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
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njvack wrote:There is also the -1 Earth Magic aptitude and -2 Necro aptitude. TrEE is actually pretty good at casting earth spells, and TrNe is not too horrible either. Yes, TrAE is going to be awful.
Og's +1 Spellcasting is nice except that spellcasting isn't super good at getting spell success and power up, and every other thing is -3. Int is also not much higher for Og than Tr.
njvack wrote:Plus that whole "trolls can survive until they get enough XP to level even with awful aptitudes" thing.
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dynast wrote: How do you even manage to toss Trog into a discussion about casting just shows how much you like opening with a vague statement that is clearly a lie, then starts redefining words to fit that statement
Hurricos wrote:duvessa wrote:nagabcadren wrote:EDIT: I do think there's a place for a large caster race; high HP, high MP, but otherwise low defenses and probably bad at melee.
Na have some of the best defenses of any caster, owing to their scales PLUS barding PLUS good shield usability (15 Shields to remove large shield penalty? Yes please). They're also extremely good at melee - constriction is a gargantuan benefit once you get it.
dynast wrote:HHAHAAHAHhaahah.
Wow duvessa. So trolls are better at casting but the only thing you can come up with is transmutations or god choices when making that assumption, completely ignoring everything else related to CASTING. So yeah, trolls are better transmuters than ogres, i can give you that, since transmutations is a spellschool with sinergy to fighting, preferably unarmed. But lets talk about conjurations, elemental spells, how about summoning? How do you even manage to toss Trog into a discussion about casting just shows how much you like opening with a vague statement that is clearly a lie, then starts redefining words to fit that statement, instead of saying " TrTm is better than OgTm" or "a mage starting ogre switches to trog to increase his winning probability, while a troll dont", or "troll casters have better winning odds than ogre casters". But if you said that it wouldnt support the stupid narrative of "Troll is better at casting than Ogre" so you have to do the opposite instead.
I would challenge you to play a no melee TrWz against a no melee OgWz, which means "playing a self imposed challenge reliant of casting", but that is just dick measuring at this point.
dynast wrote:Do you really believe a TrNe is gonna do better than a OgNe?
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HardboiledGargoyle wrote:To be fair I see the point about wanting Trog even more as an ogre. You really want the weapon/ammo gifts. Trog's Hand gives you regen which trolls already have. You have some amazing physical apts, which encourages training them even higher at the expense of magic skills, because you get more out of it, due to the apt.
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duvessa wrote:Neither Tr nor Og has any reason to use conjurations. Comparing their ability to do so is nonsensical. Their ability to use "elemental spells" and summoning is so close that they're pretty much indistinguishable when doing that. Tr has more incentive to cast spells and less disincentive to get spells (weaker Trog, less xp needed for weapon skill), it's as simple as that. I toss Trog into a discussion about casting because Trog exists in the game, and it is completely ridiculous to pretend he doesn't when discussing strategy or species strength.
duvessa wrote:Fuck yes I do.dynast wrote:Do you really believe a TrNe is gonna do better than a OgNe?
duvessa wrote:What is the "standard definition of being better at casting"? Apparently it's not having an easier time casting spells, it's not getting more benefit from casting spells, and it's not spells being a better investment.
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duvessa wrote:What is the "standard definition of being better at casting"? Apparently it's not having an easier time casting spells, it's not getting more benefit from casting spells, and it's not spells being a better investment.
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dynast wrote:I like the emphasis you add on a difference of 1 and 2, then prompt disregards the difference of 6 in spellcasting, its almost like you dont know what having magic pool is.
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dynast wrote:duvessa wrote:Fuck yes I do.dynast wrote:Do you really believe a TrNe is gonna do better than a OgNe?
Of course you do, i should have been more specific there, that was my bad, but i could just be like you instead and say that i meant a no melee Ne.
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HardboiledGargoyle wrote:ydeve: so then standard caster = "blaster caster"; I believe the latter is clearer and should be used if it is meant.
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ydeve wrote:HardboiledGargoyle wrote:ydeve: so then standard caster = "blaster caster"; I believe the latter is clearer and should be used if it is meant.
What other way have you heard the term used?
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duvessa wrote:To me, "casting" means "casting spells", not "avoiding melee and missiles"ydeve wrote:HardboiledGargoyle wrote:ydeve: so then standard caster = "blaster caster"; I believe the latter is clearer and should be used if it is meant.
What other way have you heard the term used?
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+ Level 15.3 Fighting
- Level 1.5 Dodging
- Level 1.1 Stealth
- Level 12.0 Shields
- Level 13.0 Spellcasting
O Level 27 Conjurations
- Level 5.2 Transmutations
O Level 27 Earth Magic
You had 9 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
b - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #######. 0% 2 None
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth ########.. 0% 5 None
d - Iron Shot Conj/Erth ########.. 0% 6 None
e - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 12% 3 None
f - Shatter Erth ########.. 2% 9 None
g - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ###... 6% 2 None
h - Statue Form Trmt/Erth #######.. 1% 6 None
i - Lehudib's Crystal Sp Conj/Erth ########.. 1% 8 None
j - Swiftness Chrm/Air ###..... 6% 2 None
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HardboiledGargoyle wrote:This very much belongs in Advice because it answers which race makes better casters. Yiuf dropped in to make 1 post and got ignored.
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