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[WalrusKing]

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Remove evokable teleportation

Teleportation is great in consumable form (and still remains pretty common),
but unlimited teleportation is more problematic and encourages things like
using it repeatedly and with no real cost in various places (especially the
Abyss, for example). The ring remains with its *Tele property as a
mostly-strictly-bad ring.

RIP +Tele. You were a loose cannon, but a damn good cop.

[njvack]

Seems like a *Tele ring is still pretty good in Abyss.

[WalrusKing]

I concur. You still probably want to wear one there, making this change sort of weird as that seems like the only reason youd ever wear one for the most part. If making this not a goto ring in abyss was the aim, I would have probably have just removed this ring and replaced it with the ring of You Got A Lemon for all those poor suckers wear iding jewelry with no rcurse.

[Sprucery]

I think it would have been more interesting if evokable Tele would have been given some bad effect, like draining, contamination, confusion, paralysis etc. This would have prevented spamming it.

[CanOfWorms]

*Tele hasn't worked in the abyss (or the labyrinth) for quite a while. (Note the 3rd paragraph in the commit message.)

[duvessa]

*Tele has all the same problems +Tele did...it's still unlimited teleportation, so it still acts as a way to get into vault rooms etc. Given that working in the abyss was the only non-grindy purpose it served, I really wonder why it is being kept.

[CanOfWorms]

*Tele is technically different from regular teleportation because you can only get teleported near monsters. I guess it's even better now since vault rooms usually have a high concentration of monsters???

Edit: Come to think of it I do remember using one to skip the Tomb:1/2 stairdance.

[tabstorm]

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[archaeo]

*Tele is technically different from regular teleportation because you can only get teleported near monsters. I guess it's even better now since vault rooms usually have a high concentration of monsters???

Edit: Come to think of it I do remember using one to skip the Tomb:1/2 stairdance.

Regardless of whether or not it's better, it still ends up retaining the scummy use that got +tele removed. Keeping it around just as grist for the ?ID/?RC requirements with jewelry is kind of silly.

Personally, I'd be happier removing wand and scrolls of tele and keeping the evocable ring, but I know that's not happening.

[gammafunk]

Special shoutout to me for bringing up the topic in the dev channel.

[majesstic]

+Tele has been dumb silly junk anyway ever since cTele was removed.

[Turukano]

+Tele has been dumb silly junk anyway ever since cTele was removed.

That's not right. Even without cTele a ring of teleportation is one of the most popular items for speedruns.

[majesstic]

+Tele has been dumb silly junk anyway ever since cTele was removed.

That's not right. Even without cTele a ring of teleportation is one of the most popular items for speedruns.

Speedrunners will just have to get more creative. Isn't that kind of their thing?

In fact, given that speedruns are intended to push games to their most silly extremes, speedrunners' preference for +Tele just gives weight to my statement that it's dumb silly junk. ...Or at least silly junk.