friendly reminder to vote if you're canadian

[Arrhythmia]

stop harper

[pubby]

remove food

[Siegurt]

remove food

From Canada? That doesn't seem like a good idea to me. (Even if it would make Canada less tedious)

[Croases]

Failing that, remove Canada.

[Arrhythmia]

polls are now closed across the country. if you were eligible to vote and didn't, be advised you're a huge fucking turd in basically the biggest way

mod note: removed word and messaged arrhy for being a different kind of turd.

[tasonir]

Live results here as they are reported: http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelect ... index.html

I didn't vote, but don't panic, I'm american. Not sure why I follow canadian politics so much, but hey, I agree, stop harper. Looks like liberals are going to take it - they're even predicting a majority, which would be great. Still a chance they don't quite make it, it's pretty close.

[Arrhythmia]

Live results here as they are reported: http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelect ... index.html

I didn't vote, but don't panic, I'm american. Not sure why I follow canadian politics so much, but hey, I agree, stop harper. Looks like liberals are going to take it - they're even predicting a majority, which would be great. Still a chance they don't quite make it, it's pretty close.

even if they don't get the majority, the minority gov't is clinched at this point

[Rast]

stop harper

But I like Harper.

[Arrhythmia]

stop harper

But I like Harper.

you should also stop watching baseball. it's also bad.

[archaeo]

he's also the prime minister of my heart, dang, he's like a TV president.

edit: I can't wait until PM Justin Trudeau and President Bernie Sanders join together in Christmas of 2016 to finally remove food from Crawl too, pubby.

edit2: also n.b. Mr. Trudeau has one of those faces that is handsomer from some angles than others, huh?

[tasonir]

His hair is a bit darker, but somehow he still reminds of me of this guy:



Wish I could remember that guy's name, but something about it escapes me. Was it paul allen? Probably.

[n1000]

polls are now closed across the country. if you were eligible to vote and didn't, be advised you're a huge fucking turd in basically the biggest way

mod note: removed word and messaged arrhy for being a different kind of turd.

i didn't vote because it was Bayesian rational not to

[n1000]

more fuel on the fire


(Achen, CH. "Expressive Bayesian Voters, their Turnout Decisions." 2006)

The pertinent question about selective participation is whether voters are more biased than nonvoters, not whether voters take advantage of nonvoters. Empirically, the opposite holds: The median voter is less biased than the median nonvoter. One of the main predictors of turnout, education, substantially increases economic literacy. The other two—age and income—have little effect on economic beliefs.

Though it sounds naive to count on the affluent to look out for the interests of the needy, that is roughly what the data advise. All kinds of voters hope to make society better off, but the well educated are more likely to get the job done. Selective turnout widens the gap between what the public gets and what it wants. But it narrows the gap between what the public gets and what it needs.

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[Arrhythmia]

more fuel on the fire


(Achen, CH. "Expressive Bayesian Voters, their Turnout Decisions." 2006)

The pertinent question about selective participation is whether voters are more biased than nonvoters, not whether voters take advantage of nonvoters. Empirically, the opposite holds: The median voter is less biased than the median nonvoter. One of the main predictors of turnout, education, substantially increases economic literacy. The other two—age and income—have little effect on economic beliefs.

Though it sounds naive to count on the affluent to look out for the interests of the needy, that is roughly what the data advise. All kinds of voters hope to make society better off, but the well educated are more likely to get the job done. Selective turnout widens the gap between what the public gets and what it wants. But it narrows the gap between what the public gets and what it needs.

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luckily the liberals have promised voting reform, so p and B should increase substantially, and also c is 0 because your employers are legally mandated to give you paid time off to go vote

[duvessa]

and also c is 0 because your employers are legally mandated to give you paid time off to go vote

but the time you spend voting is time you don't spend dreaming about elves, or sending dumb pictures to arrhythmia via sequell

[n1000]

luckily the liberals have promised voting reform, so p and B should increase substantially, and also c is 0 because your employers are legally mandated to give you paid time off to go vote

p is in fact the probability that my vote is the single deciding vote and thus usually very small. Need a heckuva reform to increase it. c is also never 0 because it's in terms of utility and there's a substantial cost associated with learning anything about politics (as opposed to voting randomly which I don't think you're recommending)--id rather dream about sexy elves or any elves, or telling duvessa about my dreams, for that matter.

[Magipi]

The thing is, I've always felt that voting is fun. You just take a stroll on a nice Sunday morning (or afternoon, whichever you prefer), cast your vote in a couple of minutes, talk for another minute with the members of the committee sitting there, and it's done.

If the value of c in the equation is negative (meaning that voting is not a cost, but something pleasant), the whole "nobody should vote" argument collapses.

Also, imagine a same argument for a sports event. p is the probability of your voice changing the outcome of the match, and c is the cost of going to the stadium. This shows how absurd the whole argument is.

[n1000]

This shows how absurd the whole argument is.

e: never mind

[daggaz]

I always just went with the "dogs cant vote" Dilbert force multiplier.

[Rast]

luckily the liberals have promised voting reform, so p and B should increase substantially, and also c is 0 because your employers are legally mandated to give you paid time off to go vote

In my case, c is negative. I get paid a couple packs of cigarettes for voting correctly, and my time is worth about zero dollars an hour. So voting is really a no brainer.

[Arrhythmia]

he's also the prime minister of my heart, dang, he's like a TV president.

edit: I can't wait until PM Justin Trudeau and President Bernie Sanders join together in Christmas of 2016 to finally remove food from Crawl too, pubby.

edit2: also n.b. Mr. Trudeau has one of those faces that is handsomer from some angles than others, huh?

he boxed once too, so you can pretty easily find pictures of him shirtless and sweaty if, you know, you're into that kind of thing.

e: which i know you are

[duvessa]

he boxed once too, so you can pretty easily find pictures of him shirtless and sweaty if, you know, you're into that kind of thing.

e: which i know you are

he doesnt look like an elf to me

[Arrhythmia]

he boxed once too, so you can pretty easily find pictures of him shirtless and sweaty if, you know, you're into that kind of thing.

e: which i know you are

he doesnt look like an elf to me

i could draw elf ears on him if it'd make you feel better

[duvessa]

but really imagine how great it would be irl if an elf would cuddle with you in bed, and cook with you, and listen to your stories, until one day she stubs her toe and dies because she has 5 max hp

[Rast]

but really imagine how great it would be irl if an elf would cuddle with you in bed, and cook with you, and listen to your stories, until one day she stubs her toe and dies because she has 5 max hp

She'll still be able to cuddle and listen to your stories.

[duvessa]

but really imagine how great it would be irl if an elf would cuddle with you in bed, and cook with you, and listen to your stories, until one day she stubs her toe and dies because she has 5 max hp

She'll still be able to cuddle and listen to your stories.

you don't need to point that out to a girl who's in a long-term relationship with a mummy

[byrel]

Voting reform primarily changes p, because it fixes the situation where certain offices are arranged such that it's extremely unlikely for the match to be upset. It doesn't change B much; the net value of getting a more preferred candidate in can't be affected directly by voting reform (though it can make more candidates viable, one of whom might represent your interests better...)

And c can be positive or negative; in the end, the best way to get people to vote is the same as the best way to get social animals to do anything enmasse; make it a social activity. For me it used to be quite negative (ie, an enjoyable experience) but the last 4-5 years I've come to start cutting out excessive stressors and whatnot that don't actually benefit me. And quite honestly, keeping up on politics doesn't benefit me at all. It's mostly a disillusioning experience about my countrymen...

[wheals]

You know, you'd think Canadians would have learned their lesson from the last time they had a PM named Trudeau. But seeing as there are major American candidates named Bush and Clinton, I guess we can't throw stones.

[byrel]

I was actually going to take a crack at that, but... the name 'Kennedy' popped into my mind.

[BugHunter]

Then there's the California experience with governors named Jerry Brown, 3 decades apart. Some people even claim he's the same person!

[byrel]

Or King Daley...

Though that's due to proper corruption.

[pubby]

Then there's the California experience with governors named Jerry Brown, 3 decades apart. Some people even claim he's the same person!

His aura smiles and never frowns. Soon he'll be president.

[ZipZipskins]

In Laos we only have one political party and you disappear if you try to make another one. If it weren't for the weather I'd move to Ca

[BugHunter]

Then there's the California experience with governors named Jerry Brown, 3 decades apart. Some people even claim he's the same person!

His aura smiles and never frowns. Soon he'll be president.

I dunno, every time he's governor, we have a major drought. I'm not sure I want to see what happens if he becomes president.

[Arrhythmia]

You know, you'd think Canadians would have learned their lesson from the last time they had a PM named Trudeau. But seeing as there are major American candidates named Bush and Clinton, I guess we can't throw stones.

well we also gave harper two majorities so maybe we're not the best about the whole lesson learning thing

[ThreeInvisibleDucks]

So I see there were some changes over in Canada. Friendly quesions for Canadians: do you think there was an improvement?

[Arrhythmia]

So I see there were some changes over in Canada. Friendly quesions for Canadians: do you think there was an improvement?

Yes.

[ThreeInvisibleDucks]

So I see there were some changes over in Canada. Friendly quesions for Canadians: do you think there was an improvement?

Yes.

Thank goodness. Now if only our friends in the US could Make America Great Again.