I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm


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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 15:23

I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

When I play ice mage, stupidly spam glaciate and stupidly enemies die. Sometimes wisely cast darkness to make up for weakpoint of glaciate.(but usually only extended game)

When I play fire mage, stupidly spam fire storm and stupidly target nearby enemies or nearby tiles and sometimes stupidly I take unignorable dmg from self fire storm.

I am tired of fire storm, because it is hard to target neaby enemies without self-target.
I heard new square los made fire storm hard to use without self-target... that's right?

And I am angry with 45% physical dmg of fire storm...
When I use fire storm to rF enemies, I always feel 45% is too low.
But when I stupidly self-target...I always feel 45% dmg is too high!
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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 21:41

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Are you on some sort of quest to say the word "stupidly" as many times as possible in one post, or

In any case, have you tried... not aiming it at yourself? I mean, I understand; when it goes "hey you're likely to hit yourself, do it anyway Y/N" all it takes to burn yourself is to hold shift and press y, and those keys are right next to each other.

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 21:49

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Really if the area of effect was dependable, it wouldn't be a problem ever. It's the "maybe" zone I find infuriating.
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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 22:29

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Same is true for Lees Rapid Destruction on high EV/low AC characters. The unpredictabe range of explosion is incredibly annoying. This is compounded by the hillarious fact that the material that one has to destruct most often - rock- is the one that has the most unpredictable pattern of all.

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 22:51

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

ontoclasm wrote:... and those keys are right next to each other.


stupidly so.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 10:30

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

The stupidest thing is that y is also a movement key.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 17:05

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

How many crawl players even use the yubnjkl or whatever they are keys for movement anyway? Do we really have that many early-generation rougelike players? At least yes/no prompts require Y/N
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 17:21

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I use the letter keys for movement.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 17:28

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I use hjkl for movement. My laptop doesn't have a keypad. Plus, I guess I'm what you'd call an "early-generation rougelike (sic) player", since I started out playing rogue back in the 80s. Not to mention that I'm a vim user (since back in the days when it was spelled 'vi'), so hjkl seems perfectly natural.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 17:40

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Ditto (well, I first used vi before playing rogue, and I think I switched to playing mostly hack from rogue (pre-"net"), but whichever, it all happened in the early 80s sometime)
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 17:43

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

yep, I picked up vi keys because my laptop doesn't have a numpad; I'm definitely not an old-school roguelike guy.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 18:29

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I prefer the letter keys because it's easier to reach all of the other commands without moving my hand from the number pad.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 18:31

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Yeah, same.

Go vi! Down with emacs!
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 20:00

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

And on the "y is a movement key" thing, I kind of feel like crawl would never ask me something if the answer was going to be no.

Right?

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 20:20

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

njvack wrote:And on the "y is a movement key" thing, I kind of feel like crawl would never ask me something if the answer was going to be no.

Right?

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We should just use French for our yes no prompts. No one would accidentally push 'o' for 'oui', right?
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 03:38

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

le_nerd wrote:Same is true for Lees Rapid Destruction on high EV/low AC characters. The unpredictabe range of explosion is incredibly annoying. This is compounded by the hillarious fact that the material that one has to destruct most often - rock- is the one that has the most unpredictable pattern of all.


did the explosion pattern of LRD change recently or something? it always used to be a fixed radius based on the material being destroyed.

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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 03:51

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I'd appreciate if the y/n key could be configured to be upper-case only. So I'm not trying to hit the dude with rocks in my hand, or with a blowgun.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 05:44

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:I'd appreciate if the y/n key could be configured to be upper-case only. So I'm not trying to hit the dude with rocks in my hand, or with a blowgun.


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easy_confirm = none


(The default is "safe", which forces capital letters only for "dangerous" questions. This doesn't affect the really dangerous questions that require you to spell out "yes" or "no")

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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 06:07

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

neil wrote:
ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:I'd appreciate if the y/n key could be configured to be upper-case only. So I'm not trying to hit the dude with rocks in my hand, or with a blowgun.


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easy_confirm = none


(The default is "safe", which forces capital letters only for "dangerous" questions. This doesn't affect the really dangerous questions that require you to spell out "yes" or "no")

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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 14:23

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

yesno wrote:did the explosion pattern of LRD change recently or something? it always used to be a fixed radius based on the material being destroyed.

It's always been different depending on whether the wall is destroyed or not. Or at least, for as long as I can remember.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 18:32

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I had never used vi keys until I tried them out in Crawl and was surprised at how much better than the numpad they are. I only wish they were all shifted 1 key to the right so that I wouldn't need to constantly reposition my right hand.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 18:42

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

Don't shift your hand, stretch your pointer finger for 'y' and 'b'.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 19:07

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I meant that the right hand is normally resting on the jkl; keys. To use vi keys I keep my hand on the hjkl keys. They're awesome because they let you map orthogonal movements to your four non-thumb digits, and diagonal movements to a single finger... though moving the index finger from h to u is awkward - t and y would be better than y and u, with the hjkl mapping.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 19:09

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Ah, I always keep my index finger on j. It has the little bump.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 19:47

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

So you actually reach in order to move left, and use your wedding ring finger to move right? Well then that is horrendous UI. It's so bad that when I originally tried it like that, I thought "It can't possibly be this ridiculously bad, I must be doing something wrong." Then I shifted my hand to the left and went "wowzers" at the UI magic.
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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 20:29

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I think we long moved past the point where this was anything approaching "Dungeon Crawling Advice," so I moved it over here.

For what it's worth, wherever you keep your hand when using vi keys, it's nowhere near as crazy as magicpoints' old setup, since she used the number row to move.

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Post Thursday, 24th September 2015, 23:34

Re: I am tired of attack pattern of fire storm

I'm currently playing crawl on Android, using aa keyboard mod for tab, ctrl, etc. Numpad isn't exactly an option, so I've forced myself to hjkl on a tiny screen.

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