Warpers and teleport other

[Berder]

Teleport Other: useful spell, or waste of space?

[Sandman25]

I am not sure why you put "last time you won a warper". Does it mean those who have never won Wr cannot vote?
I voted for the last option, it has 100% votes, you can close the poll

[Sandman25]

Also why did you put "before Lair"? The spell has much better spell power when you can cast Phase Shift and there are still many monsters with low MR in and after Lair.

[wizzzargh]

Used it 4 times before lair, but I'm not sure why we're limiting it to 'before lair.' If you had a weak character, teleport other would be pretty good for getting rid of Lair baddies that you don't want to fight. Also good against low MR orcs- it's a lot easier to get the Orc 4 shops at a low level if you can get rid of the Warlords and Knights while you take out the trash.

Its niche is that it can be used to 'escape' from certain monsters but you don't have to leave the area, which is nice if you're trying to kill a pack or loot a vault or something. It can also be an escape option if something fast is chasing you and you're far away from the stairs. So while it may be largely redundant as a pure escape option, I think it does open up some tactics and strategies that Blink and Passage of Golubria do not.

Of course the triple threat of slow startup time, MR negates, and the randomness of the actual teleport all conspire to make the spell pretty mediocre. But I don't think it's a waste of space.

[Sandman25]

Used it 4 times before lair, but I'm not sure why we're limiting it to 'before lair.' If you had a weak character, teleport other would be pretty good for getting rid of Lair baddies that you don't want to fight. Also good against low MR orcs- it's a lot easier to get the Orc 4 shops at a low level if you can get rid of the Warlords and Knights while you take out the trash.

You reminded me how I used EH:

With 0 Hexes/Ice and 4.1 spellcasting I had 30% chance to hibernate Spiny Frog/Black Mamba (checked in wizmode)

I guess Teleport Other will have a much higher chance to work because Wr starts with 3 levels in Translocations, 2 levels in spellcasting and the spell is a single school one.

[dynast]

I Ended one of my streaks on a NaWr of chei because i decided to not learn that spell and then ijyb showed up with a wand of frost.

The spell starts to become obsolete when you are on a dire situation and you cannot risk having the enemy resisting the tele, so you read a tele scroll for yourself instead. in case of a Fo you usually shaft.

In other situations you just use it to reduce the number of enemies around you. There are many strategies where i can see the spell being useful but not really that necessary.

[xentronium]

Last time I played a Wr was a DDWr in depths started by qw.

[archaeo]

Teleport Other always seemed like Cause Fear to me: a good and useful spell I almost never use because, by the time I get them "online," I usually have better ways of escaping from danger. These are good spells, but I rarely find myself in situations where they seem like the best choice; I'm either in so little danger I'd rather just kill dudes, or I'm in enough danger that it makes more sense to read ?tele or ?fear (or use another consumable).

[Berder]

I am not sure why you put "last time you won a warper". Does it mean those who have never won Wr cannot vote?

Yes. They shouldn't vote about the usefulness of a spell to a background they never won.

It also means that instead of thinking back to that time you won a Warper three games ago when you did use Teleport Other to your advantage, you look only at the last game so it's more of a random sample.

[dynast]

But cause fear is useful for crowd control and to finish off enemies with ranged. Its also a instant effect.

[Sandman25]

It also means that instead of thinking back to that time you won a Warper three games ago when you did use Teleport Other to your advantage, you look only at the last game so it's more of a random sample.

That was my last game (probably, I am not sure, it was long time ago), I don't like the background. I won it once and that's it. It does not mean I dislike Teleport Other

[Sandman25]

But cause fear is useful for crowd control and to finish off enemies with ranged. Its also a instant effect.

It's level 4 spell in a school for stabbers and those who go for Silence. Phase Shift is optimal for most characters I believe.

[dynast]

It's level 4 spell in a school for stabbers and those who go for Silence. Phase Shift is optimal for most characters I believe.

No, its not, dont ever say "school for stabbers" when reffering to hexes to me unless you want to get into a nasty flame war. And you dont start with silence or phase shift and they are not even remotely similar.

[Berder]

Yeah, cause fear is one of those generally useful spells that anybody should pick up if they have the spare spell levels and hexes.

[Sandman25]

No, its not, dont ever say "school for stabbers" when reffering to hexes to me unless you want to get into a nasty flame war. And you dont start with silence or phase shift and they are not even remotely similar.

I am not sure I don't want nasty flame war (not in this thread though). Please don't forget that we are talking about level 4 spell here. Do you know many non-stabbers who train Hexes to level 4+ for something other than Silence? I remind you that Tukima's Dance, Spectral Weapon and Dazzling Spray are level 3, you don't get Cause Fear for free here.

[dynast]

Sandman viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17424

[archaeo]

fwiw, I only brought up Cause Fear because it's in the same category of "generally optimal spells I always forget to use instead of consumables."

[emikaela]

i voted no, but i have no idea if that was optimal play, it's entirely possible that i would have been safer if i had done so at some point. obvious maybe, but what you're asking here is not whether the spell is objectively useful but if people actually use it. perhaps the latter is more relevant anyways.

[Sprucery]

I can't vote, but I'm currently playing my best Warper so far (HaWr of Dith in Spider now, or Ice Cave to be exact), and I haven't cast Teleport Other once so far.

It would probably have been useful in some situations, but I've found other solutions.

[Siegurt]

The TrWr I played last night used it 4 times, once before the lair (IIRC on pikel with a elec whip, I could be wrong though, I play a lot of games)

For reference: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17427

Chei does make teleO more valuable, however being a massively overpowered troll with some large rocks makes it less so, so interpret that how you will.

What it was good for was giving me some breathing room when things got too hot and hairy and I needed to regen some MP or HP.

However I would definitely say it's not *often* a useful spell