Cerebov is weaker than Lom Lobon

[radinms]

Because Cerebov does too many useless actions.

Lom Lobon... too many times they use spell
fuck

[tabstorm]

Agreed. I always hope for Lom last on my Pan visits so I don't have to worry about his pursuit later.

[Berder]

Agreed.

[archaeo]

Yep.

[duvessa]

No doubt about it.

[bcadren]

Lom might be too powerful...I mean Geez. Two bloody level 9's?

[Sar]

I love new Lom!

[bel]

Lom Lobon is brutal. Agreed.

[onget]

lom lobon is weaker than the enemy of the early games.
Enemy of all of the extend game is too weak.

[Sprucery]

It is no secret that the early game is the harderst part. This is a good thing imo.

Do you think that characters should die more in extended?

[Sar]

Edit: nevermind, that was kinda shitty of me.

[Cerekov]

lom lobon is weaker than the crown needed to leave Trog for TSO somewhere around the neck, and you will leave the Conjurations school for pure conjurations and bump up the not-trog+not-Cj group

It's not a game about "hacks", finding ways to get to mindelay than great swords though, not even given a prompt like "drop which item?", if you want to win the game if you found the best defence you can actually one-shot Anta or Cerebov but who cares what it was bad enough and that you should be

[onget]

It is no secret that the early game is the harderst part. This is a good thing imo.

Do you think that characters should die more in extended?

Death in the extend game is difficult, you must die in the extend game.

[xentronium]

Deep water is the scariest thing about lom lobon.

[Sandman25]

Deep water is the scariest thing about lom lobon.

I think Blinking is much worse, no potion of flight helps here. You melee it, get it to almost dead and then it blinks away, heals 200+ HP and starts spamming Glaciate/Conjure Ball Lightning.

[Arrhythmia]

Got it in one OP.

[mopl]

Lom Lobon used to be the weakest Pan lord...

... first time I tabbed into the new one, oO

[Sar]

That was Mnoleg, still is.

[bcadren]

That was Mnoleg, still is.

Mnoleg can be bad...if you get confused (golden eye) summons a bunch of crap. It hasn't happened to me and I can only imagine it getting that bad if you managed to run out of Curing or were a Mummy; but I can see it. Suppose a Fo that couldn't walk away could get surrounded too... Lom is the only pan-lord that Aura of Abjuration doesn't help against.

Anyways: The best way to take down pan lords is...Paralysis needles. Followed by Confusion needles. If you choose not to use them; you are gimping yourself. (Though there's a chance they just won't spawn; they are rare items).

[Sar]

Aura of abjuration doesn't help vs. Gloorx either.

[onget]

Aura of abjuration doesn't help vs. Gloorx either.

curse skull is spam summoning, it has been guaranteed in gloorx.

[Sar]

well generally you don't want to fight both Gloorx and a curse skull

generally

[tasonir]

well generally you don't want to fight both Gloorx and a curse skull

If you're in statue form it probably isn't that big of a deal

But to chime in on the main topic it's nice to see something with such strong agreement, and of course, lom lobon is terrible Mostly the blinking that bothers me, of course, but hey. On a recent pan run I got Lom Lobon very very quickly, my first unique and only 3-4 floors into pan. Tried to fight but ended up ninjaing the rune, which didn't work so well because then lom showed up again on another floor. Had to bite the bullet and kill him, at least there wasn't any deep water there...

[bcadren]

My Extended Toolbox (usually have at least half of it by 5th or 6th rune); order is order I tend to get them online.

Apportation
Blink
Good ranged weapon (Arbalest, Long Bow, Great Sling or Triple XBow)
Aura of Abjuration
Control Undead
Silence (For Tomb with Non-Conjurers)
Iron Shot/LCS
+7-9 Blowgun {Paralysis or Confusion Needles}
Controlled Blink (Dispersal if Fo)
Haste
Statue Form (On characters that don't or can't use armour)
Necromutation OR DDoor
Shatter (For Tomb with Conjurers and avoiding hell lords)

[Rast]

I typically don't have any of those things in extended except the ranged weapon (sometimes) and a wand of haste (usually).

[dowan]

Last time I went up against Lom Lobon he tornado'd me through the wall, my next input (the same as my last one) was to press the directional button that used to attack, but it became the drown button.

FR: Tornado doesn't move you over water, because drowning is stupid.

[radinms]

My extended toolbox1:
Worship Trog
Wield antimagic exec axe
Train throwing 27
Throw javelin(penet)
Fire paralysis needle

My extended toolbox2:
Worship Cheibriados
Learn Statue Form
Train UC27
Kill everything