Death cobs

[archaeo]

it's pretty funny that several people have told me in tileschat, "Don't bring up hunger, you'll just make the devs make it worse," and I'm like, "No, that won't happen," and then Lasty buffs AF_HUNGER and gives it to buffed death cobs.

edit: I think if you really wanted to make them dangerous, you could give them Flash Freeze. Or turn AF_HUNGER into AF_FREEZE.

[Sandman25]

I am not sure why AF_HUNGER is still in the game. Has it ever killed a character? Is its only goal to annoy player?

[Sar]

I think it's hilarious, tbh.

[archaeo]

as I said to gamma, I'm cool with this, though I probably wouldn't have posted a topic about this on its own.

Sar, it is a pretty funny joke. It's just a funny joke that probably will only be an annoyance. But I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't add my usual "we should playtest it and find out" proviso, so sure, let's find out if making AF_HUNGER trigger more often and giving it to more monsters is an interesting improvement, that's fine.

[Sprucery]

Maybe melee attacks should consume much more food. The bigger the weapon, the more.

#buffcastersbynerfingmelee

(With the current state of CYC I must clarify that the above written is not to be taken seriously.)

But I rejoice at the thought of buffed death cobs! Now remove hungry ghosts, please.

[Sar]

You people worry about some theoretical annoyance too much. Just imagine reading all those Yet Another Not Actually Stupid I Could Do Nothing To Prevent This Wtf Devs posts!

[bel]

wtf

[Sar]

Btw, can this be considered a Yet Another Caster Nerf™?

[bel]

From the commit, it seems to be designed to hit people with low EV. Brutes in heavy armour, mostly.

[bcadren]

I suppose it COULD be deadly; hitting starving as a conjurer with an OoF or A.Lich in LoS in Zot could kill you. (using Teleport on Zot 5 is too risky to be considered a serious option). Certainly a lot more deadly than current cobs. lol

[Sandman25]

You people worry about some theoretical annoyance too much. Just imagine reading all those Yet Another Not Actually Stupid I Could Do Nothing To Prevent This Wtf Devs posts!

If you are low on food, you should probably treat Hungry Ghost as early Ogre - if you cannot kill it with javelins or something, you retreat upstairs.
If you are not low on food, you can just eat chunks after killing it.
I agree that they can be "funny" for new players (wtf feeling can be fun indeed).

[Rep Henry Clay]

So I just died to death cobs in Zot. I feel really really stupid for tabbing through that. I've never died to hunger before and for some stupid reason assumed their attacks wouldn't continue lowering my hunger past starving. Silly me.

Super fast death cobs stacking hunger through armor is bullshit, but maybe I'm just butthurt that I died.

[Magipi]

So I just died to death cobs in Zot.

Happened to me too. I rarely play trunk, and after I do, I always note that it is a mistake.

[emikaela]

i suppose the way to handle them is to bring all your permafood to zot, and always eat to engorged. costs a few inventory slots though, so what this really amounts to is a nemelex nerf. :p

[dynast]

Nice, now we have to stockpile food for zot. Once again, tedious behaviour solves our hunger problems!

[Sar]

it's not like weight exists, so instead of just carrying all your 40 rations into Zot you will now have to carry all your 40 rations into Zot

oh no the tedium

[dynast]

it's not like weight exists, so instead of just carrying all your 40 rations into Zot you will now have to carry all your 40 rations into Zot

oh no the tedium

Oh sure, you just gonna assume someone has a stack of 40 rations instead of 5 meat, 3 pizzas, 4 fruits, 7 royal jellies, 6 beef, and so on. If that was ever true then why would we still have things like hunger on this game ? OH WAI-

[Sar]

Hahaha, he doesn't just immediately eat fruit and beef jerky and pretty much anything that isn't rations! Look at him and laugh!

[dynast]

What was i thinking? Of course i should consume all my food whenever i can! How else hunger is supposed to be relevant?

[Sar]

Food is not usually strategically relevant and cobs don't really make it strategically relevant, but we weren't even talking about that. People were complaining about the perceived tedium of having to carry lots of food - in a game where you already carry lots of food because it weights nothing and stacks. Which is absurd and funny.

Edit: though I guess cobs make 1-turn food more relevant? I never really used it tbh.

[bel]

I always have enough rations for Zot. I even drop/eat one kind of rations midway through the game (when inventory becomes full), and all of jellies, pizzas and beef jerkies (I only carry fruit for 1-turn eating). So, I don't see any problems, nor tedium.

[dynast]

Food is not usually strategically relevant and cobs don't really make it strategically relevant, but we weren't even talking about that. People were complaining about the perceived tedium of having to carry lots of food - in a game where you already carry lots of food because it weights nothing and stacks. Which is absurd and funny.

So you figured my joke yet?

I always have enough rations for Zot. I even drop/eat one kind of rations midway through the game (when inventory becomes full), and all of jellies, pizzas and beef jerkies (I only carry fruit for 1-turn eating). So, I don't see any problems, nor tedium.

Because starvation in this game is a physicological fear, its not something that usually happens, it pretty much never happens. Starvation and drowning should have been removed together with stat zero death.

[Sar]

So you figured my joke yet?

No.

[bel]

I think the reason people don't react to the "Starving" message is that they're used to assuming that food will never, ever matter.

And the way to make food matter is to change a monster at the end of the game (where you have plenty of food, so you should just keep yourself engorged)? While food does not matter at all in the 99% of the game. This seems weird to me. What exactly is gained here, except a desperate attempt to make food relevant? I hope this idea doesn't spread elsewhere, in order to make food "matter" even more.

Even though I think many of the objections in this thread are not correct, I still think the death cob idea is very weird.

[Sar]

I think the idea is more like "duuuude those monsters are literally made of food lol and their glyph is a food glyph too and wouldn't it be funny as hell if their attacks starved you lmao".

Spoiler: show

I wholeheartedly approve!

[dynast]

No.

Its about how there are no insteresting ways to deal with hunger.

[Sar]

Still don't get it but okay.

[dynast]

Still don't get it but okay.

Its ok, its not the first time you do that.

[Turukano]

So I just died to death cobs in Zot.

Happened to me too.

Magipi's MiMo had 3 runes as well as the VSMo of Rep Henry Clay. But the following one, dying with 15 runes in Zot:4, is even worse: emiel's HuBe.

*strong dislike*

[Blobbo]

Wow, so Death Cobs will become like Famine from Nethack. This isn't cool, please revert.

[archaeo]

It's no use guys. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a death cob stamping on a minotaur face—forever.

[emikaela]

It's no use guys. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a death cob stamping on a minotaur face—forever.

fr: this as a loading screen

[gammafunk]

Mod Note: Split off the discussion regarding the hunger interface and starvation into a GDD topic.

[duvessa]

Wow, so Death Cobs will become like Famine from Nethack. This isn't cool, please revert.

it's virtually impossible to die to famine from nethack via starvation, you'd have to stand there and take like 20 attacks just to get to fainting

[tabstorm]

So I just died to death cobs in Zot.

Happened to me too.

Magipi's MiMo had 3 runes as well as the VSMo of Rep Henry Clay. But the following one, dying with 15 runes in Zot:4, is even worse: emiel's HuBe.

*strong dislike*

All these deaths were avoidable if the player had just eaten a ration and not fought more than 1 death cob at once. Doing so is pretty much asking to faint and die. You just need to treat them as extremely dangerous enemies that can kill you in 4-5 turns.

[Sprucery]

it's virtually impossible to die to famine from nethack via starvation, you'd have to stand there and take like 20 attacks just to get to fainting

Perhaps possible if someone throws a potion of paralysis at your head.

[duvessa]

except you're wearing free action, and even if you aren't, that doesn't actually paralyse you for very long

[Dharmy]

It's no use guys. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a death cob stamping on a minotaur face—forever.

fr: this as a loading screen

Related, spoilered for nightmare fuel:

Spoiler: show

Source

[Sagrath01]

Yeah, me to. http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Sa ... rath01.txt

Balls..... Need to read changelog more often. Stupid death

[RBrandon]

It's also interesting that they are undead

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