New Monster: Cow
Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 04:35The Cow is a new monster that appears in dungeon, lair, and shoals to compensate for the recent caster nerfs. When butchered, a cow produces 2d4 meat rations.
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Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 04:35Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 10:38secret cow level please
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Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 17:39For real, monster minotaurs should just drop beef jerkies when you butcher them or cast AS, not meat chunks.
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 17:45new monster: holy cow
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Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 19:08Sar wrote:new monster: holy cow
Yeah, if you follow Krishna you better not hurt that one. (Well, that's probably true of any cow. But if you see a cow haloed by a deva, maybe the interface should generate a notice "Holy cow!")
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Posted: Sunday, 26th July 2015, 22:53Chicken wrote:maybe the interface should generate a notice "Holy cow!"
Only if you have a tengu mercenary under your employ.
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 02:09Sar wrote:new monster: holy cow
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 02:49I assume this is how you imagine the holy cow of Crawl:
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 02:50This is actually the best holy cow joke I've found in my thorough research:
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 03:00i don`t just Fuckin get it, excuse the language but I just don`t get it when people have to say 2d4 instead of 2-8. now i`m no pussy so i`ll just say it that i have to do the math when it comes to dice and probably alot of other people do too, but i do know this that one of the prime principals of math is simpli.... simplifi.... to make it more easier to puzzle it out in your head. perhaps this is something all of we can agree upon yeah??
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 03:03twelwe wrote:i don`t just Fuckin get it, excuse the language but I just don`t get it when people have to say 2d4 instead of 2-8.
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 03:22MainiacJoe wrote:There is more than one way to get 2-8. Is it (1 to 7)+1? (1 to 6)+2? (1 to 3) + (1 to 5)? "2d4" specifies exactly what is going on. And besides, lots of us inherited being comfortable with the notation from tabletop RPGs e.g. Dungeons and Dragons.twelwe wrote:i don`t just Fuckin get it, excuse the language but I just don`t get it when people have to say 2d4 instead of 2-8.
well la dee da, why didn`t i take your comfort level into the accountants office? look pal i have trouble spelling numbers correctly along with putting them in the right order and my telepsychic never mentioned the fields medal when predicting my future
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 08:49MainiacJoe wrote:(1 to 6)+2?
Well, surely it's not that :)
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Posted: Monday, 27th July 2015, 21:43I think a lot of warcraft 3 units had damage formulas like that. Granted the fixed portion was somewhat larger, but it'd roll things like 1d6 + 12 for damage all the time. With all of the attacks going on in a single battle you got pretty nearly average results all the time, but it was still a completely unneeded "random" variable in what is supposed to be a skill-based game. It was a carry over from the supposed "RPG elements" that warcraft 3 merged into RTS. Starcraft units deal fixed damage, so at least there's that.
Edit: Just tried to look up some of their damage ranges, and their online stats page only shows average damage, ha. They note this on the general info page: "The average damage is listed rather than the standard minimum and maximum damage shown on the unit."
Edit: Just tried to look up some of their damage ranges, and their online stats page only shows average damage, ha. They note this on the general info page: "The average damage is listed rather than the standard minimum and maximum damage shown on the unit."
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Wednesday, 29th July 2015, 18:36Please use mathematica to render a graph of the distribution of each dice roll.
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Posted: Wednesday, 29th July 2015, 19:35what's the point?
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Posted: Thursday, 30th July 2015, 04:10bcadren wrote:what's the point?
Cows.
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Posted: Thursday, 30th July 2015, 22:24johlstei wrote:Please use mathematica to render a graph of the distribution of each dice roll.
Did you miss all the threads with the anydice.com graphs?
Example: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15076 Actual graphs don't show up until page 3, here's a direct link: http://anydice.com/program/548d
To quote myself, here's a summary of the central problem being discussed in the thread (from my biased viewpoint):
What probably bugs me the most about these formulas is the absolutely huge top end damage that you'll never see. From the anydice link, the absolute max roll that ogre could get is 186, but in 200 rolls the highest one was 134 (in the vanilla damage roll section). There's over 50 possible damage values that never generated, and while there's a lot more than 200 attack actions over a game of crawl, it seems very strange to have what's basically a built in critical hit rate when you suddenly hit for 200 damage because 3 things rolled the max value.
You could chop off the entire final 50 damage range and players would never notice it.
Edit: To put it more exactly: You have less than a 1% chance (.93%) to roll any value from 128 to 186.
Necroing graph based mathematical arguments in a holy cow thread? Check, mission accomplished.
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Friday, 31st July 2015, 06:31Ultra-random damage may be the holiest cow in Crawl.
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Friday, 31st July 2015, 18:26Do people not realise we already have a holy cow monster in the game?
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Friday, 31st July 2015, 20:46Yeah, its Asterion.
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Saturday, 21st November 2015, 11:56A yak's just a big stupid cow with more hair that lives at high elevations, anyway. 
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Saturday, 21st November 2015, 17:57magpie is right. Rename "yak" and "death yak" to "big stupid cow" and "big stupid death cow".
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Saturday, 21st November 2015, 20:24This thread is so dumb I want to tip myself
Re: New Monster: Cow
Posted: Sunday, 22nd November 2015, 05:06RBrandon wrote:This thread is so dumb I want to tip myself
here i did it for you
