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tier lists

S: DD Ce
S-: Sp
A+: Dg Fe Tr
A: Dr HO Mi Og VS
A-: Mf
B+: Ha Hu Ko Vp
B: Gh Gr HE
B-: Op
C: Ds DE Te
D: Fo
F: Na Mu
this one is for races

S: Be IE
S-:
A+: Cj EE En FE Ne
A: AE AK Su
A-: VM Wz
B+: Ar As Wr
B: AM Tm
B-: Hu
C:
D: Fi Gl Sk
F: CK Mo Wn
and this one is for backgrounds

S: Fedhas Trog
S-: Kiku Makh
A+: Ru
A: Ely Jiyva
A-: Lugonu Nemelex
B+: Ash Dith Sif Yred
B: Veh
B-:
C: Oka Zin
D: Beogh Gozag TSO
F: Xom Chei Qazlal


S: Evocations
S-:
A+: Fighting, Bows, Crossbows, Throwing
A: Slings, Charms, Summonings, Necromancy, Ice
A-: Polearms, Dodging, Conjurations, Hexes, Earth
B+: Maces, Staves, Spellcasting, Translocations
B: Long Blades, Axes, Air
B-: Transmutations, Fire, Invocations, Stealth
C: Unarmed, Poison
D: Short Blades
F: Shields
unfortunately there is no F- tier

SS: Duvessa
S: Dowan, Erica, Frederick, Ilsuiw, Khufu, Menkaure
S-: Edmund, Eustachio, Margery, Rupert
A+: Agnes, Enchantress, Fannar
A: Aizul, Harold, Louise, Norris
A-: Ereshkigal, Kirke, Lom, Mara, Mennas, Nikola, Roxanne, Terence
B+: Asmodeus, Azrael, Cerebov, Joseph, Maurice, Nessos, Sigmund
B: Dispater, Donald, Frances, Geryon, Maud, Natasha, Polyphemus, Psyche, Sonja
B-: Antaeus, Boris, Yiuf, Erolcha, Grum, Ijyb, Jessica, Jory, Josephine, Pikel, Purgy, Sojobo, Tiamat, Vashnia
C: Arachne, Blork, Gloorx, Grinder, Ignacio, Jorgrun, Mnoleg, Murray, Nergalle, Ribbit, Roka, Snorg, Urug, Wiglaf
D: Asterion, Dissolution, Gastronok, Lernaean Hydra, Royal Jelly, Serpent of Hell, Xtahua
F--: minmay
and this one is uniques sorted by attractiveness. I put a lot of time into this one
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 06:15

Re: tier lists

Where's Armor?

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 06:26

Re: tier lists

I'd swap a couple of things but I totally agree to uniques list!
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 07:17

Re: tier lists

I can't agree with your Beogh rating. I think we've discussed this before, but I guess I just value any allies, even rather weak and infrequently appearing ones, pretty highly. I definitely think Beogh is a level above Gozag or TSO.

In the same vein I'd put Yred higher than the other gods on that tier.

Overall I think these are very good lists. #teamMargery

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 07:22

Re: tier lists

Why is Beogh always so low, I mean, it might be tedious, but for a newer Crawl player it often lets you vault farther into the mid-game than you ever hoped to get. At least until you get half your orcs killed in some stupid encounter, which is like a half-death for you, as if you were a felid and died, but the feedback that you did something wrong is much stronger than if you're a solo character.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 07:43

Re: tier lists

I just splashed a TrCK of Jiyva at ascension, and I would put it at S+ simply because it does not make you want to ctrlqyes at the lategame. didn't have that much fun with the game in quite some time.
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 10:58

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Yeah, beogh is solid, one of the best gods a HO can choose. What he does is give you ranged allies, which are very hard to come by without Beogh, and very powerful. 3 orc warlords with arbalests will kill a lot of stuff before you even notice it.

How to play beogh:
  • Keep at most your strongest 4-5 orcs at your side. This makes them level up faster and means they don't get in the way of each other's shots. It also means your weaker orcs aren't dying by the dozens, so you have them in reserve. Just stop recall after you have 4-5 orcs.
  • Don't let them die. Rush to the front and try to soak the hits yourself. Make sure to tell them to run away from danger.
  • To help you soak the hits yourself, be an armored tank.
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 13:52

Re: tier lists

duvessa wrote:D: Asterion, Dissolution, Gastronok, Lernaean Hydra, Royal Jelly, Serpent of Hell, Xtahua

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 13:55

Re: tier lists

ok do unrandarts next

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:07

Re: tier lists

I like duvessa's list with a confidence interval of 90%.

Things I think he underrates enough to comment on: Ds, Wn, Dith, Beogh, Chei, Qaz, Lbl, Shields, Xtahua.
Things I think he overrates enough to comment on: Sif, Gozag, Polearms.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:15

Re: tier lists

I'd put my ratings at about 75% overlap of duvessa's about 1 in 4 things I'd move up or down > 1 slot.
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:18

Re: tier lists

I guess now I have to dread the day someone starts posting minmay's mummy dreams from irc...
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:26

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I just want to note that I thanked exclusively for the minmaydunk, which is something I will always thank.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:50

Re: tier lists

how are people taking these seriously

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 15:59

Re: tier lists

Why are merfolk so low? They have good apts for both Be and IE, the two best backgrounds according to your tier list, and they are good at using polearms,the best melee weapon acording to your tier list. They have reasonable apt for throwing, which you ranked as tied for best weapon skill, and reasonable apt for evocations which you ranked as the best skill. They also have a good apt for fighting.

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Can't argue with that.
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 16:00

Re: tier lists

duvessa wrote:how are people taking these seriously

Well, that unique attractiveness chart's bound to get people's blood boiling, Xtahua is certainly going to make a stink about not being a rank above the Serpent of Hell (And being rated worse than Snorg will probably not go over well either)
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Re: tier lists

WingedEspeon wrote:Why are merfolk so low? They have good apts for both Be and IE, the two best backgrounds according to your tier list, and they are good at using polearms,the best melee weapon acording to your tier list. They have reasonable apt for throwing, which you ranked as tied for best weapon skill, and reasonable apt for evocations which you ranked as the best skill. They also have a good apt for fighting.


duvessa wrote:how are people taking these seriously


edit: To be fair, the most of the lists in OP at least appear to be well thought-out, irony notwithstanding, so it makes sense that people would give the ranking some weight. Plus, it is fun to rank things. duvessa's lists accord more or less with my own, I guess, except for the attractiveness list (but then there's no accounting for taste).

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 16:05

Re: tier lists

I really like new SoH!

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 17:02

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Why Cerebov, Asmodeus and Azrael are only B+? They are hot!

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 19:52

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ldf wrote:Why Cerebov, Asmodeus and Azrael are only B+? They are hot!

Antaeus is even lower despite being very cool!
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:16

Re: tier lists

antaeus is a fat ass. if he went to the gym sometimes instead of eating 5 tubs of ice cream every day he would make it to A- tier at least

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:27

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Not cool, man

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:30

Re: tier lists

I wonder how duvessa ranked the uniques. Not by speed, not by danger, not by gimmick, not by XP.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:33

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Well, he did explain it, it's by attractiveness. It's not bad, the top 1 and 2 are reversed for some reason, but aside from that...

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:37

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dowan wrote:Well, he did explain it, it's by attractiveness. It's not bad, the top 1 and 2 are reversed for some reason, but aside from that...


Isn't duvessa playing console? Or is it not about tile attractiveness?

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 20:51

Re: tier lists

Sorry, I can't give any deeper insights into Duvessa's mind. There are a number of other forum users who do appear to be able to read Duvessa's mind on occasion though, maybe one of them will help you out.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 21:01

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I've always read that ascii is more "immersive," since you imagine what things look like for yourself unlike us plebs, who can only imagine tawdry baby tiles. So in duvessa's mind, the uniques look however he wants them to look, or he's really into the shapes of some letters.

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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 22:02

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duvessa wrote:antaeus is a fat ass. if he went to the gym sometimes instead of eating 5 tubs of ice cream every day he would make it to A- tier at least

Please don't fatshame.

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duvessa wrote:antaeus is a fat ass. if he went to the gym sometimes instead of eating 5 tubs of ice cream every day he would make it to A- tier at least

Please don't fatshame.
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i was really just trying to make a joke about cocytus being full of ice cream

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archaeo wrote:I've always read that ascii is more "immersive," since you imagine what things look like for yourself unlike us plebs, who can only imagine tawdry baby tiles. So in duvessa's mind, the uniques look however he wants them to look, or he's really into the shapes of some letters.
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Post Tuesday, 2nd June 2015, 23:23

Re: tier lists

The chick who cosplays Dowan is hot.

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duvessa wrote:I don't really have dreams involving sexy elves, just regular elves sometimes.

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Requesting a tier list for the devs.
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Rast wrote:Requesting a tier list for the devs.


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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 00:36

Re: tier lists

God tier list:

One true god: Cheibriados, Nick Cage
Gods that are awesome: Qazlal, Ru, Jiyva
Gods that are cool: Beogh, Trog, Vehumet, Yred
Gods I don't really care about but they're okay I guess: Gozag, Okawaru, Sif Muna, Ashenzari, Dithmenos, Kiku, Lugonu, Fedhas, all the good gods, Xom, Makhleb, Nemelex


Overlapping with the above:
Gods I've never bothered to actually win a game with, despite having ~60 wins: Kiku, lugonu, fedhas, ashenzari, dithmenos, Sif Muna (closest I got was a cool troll game - trolls love sif), Yred, Zin, Xom, Nemelex

I would have sworn I had won a Yred game, but apparently no. I'm counting my current level 23 Gozag game as a win.

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tasonir wrote:I'm counting my current level 23 Gozag game as a win.


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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 03:36

Re: tier lists

OP was a long setup for a minmaydunk, but it was definitely worth it.

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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 05:29

Re: tier lists

Random Pan Lord who casts Singularity has S++ attractiveness.

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lol he edited the post again after i edited it back and then actually locked it so i cant edit it again

i do kind of find it weird that im literally the only person here that gets harassed in this way, like damn, if you dont like my posts delete them instead of editing them so they have no reason to exist anymore

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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 07:02

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I think it's another joke

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(the joke is minmay)

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Well I had been saving this minmaydunk because it's too brutal but...

so this guy here calls himself a sexy elf but guess what his most won species is. Just guess and look it up when you're ready for the punchline

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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 07:10

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It's mummies lol!

edit: sorry minmay :oops:

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Re: tier lists

ok well i guess not anymore, that's better i guess???

(when did i call myself a sexy elf)

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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 07:39

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how do you expect people to know what S is supposed to stand for
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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 10:41

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Pretty sure it stands for 'Sexay'

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n1000 wrote:Well I had been saving this minmaydunk because it's too brutal but...

so this guy here calls himself a sexy elf but guess what his most won species is. Just guess and look it up when you're ready for the punchline


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Post Wednesday, 3rd June 2015, 14:40

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Minmay

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