The Tavern

I've posted about this vault in another thread, jokingly, but seriously, now. What is with this gnoll vault on D:3? I've encountered it at least 3 times in the past 20 games. An orc warrior, 3 orc priests, 2 gnoll shamans, a gnoll sergeant, and 35 gnolls all roaming about D:3 without anyone opening their door? Reaching XL8 by completion of D:3? This is seriously unbalanced, IMO. I get that it benefits to be a higher level starting out, but one first has to survive this madness to enjoy it. Thoughts?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file. Aule the Magician (Formicid Wizard) Turns: 7736, Time: 00:35:01 HP 57/57 AC 3 Str 18 XL: 8 Next: 1% MP 21/21 EV 12 Int 19 God: Gold 136 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 5 memorised, 6 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +3 spear rCold . . . Clarity . g - +1 robe rNeg + . . rCorr . (no shield) rPois . rRot . (helmet unavailable) rElec . Spirit . (no cloak) SustAb . Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis + (no boots) Gourm . (no amulet) MR ..... u - ring of positive energy o - +5 ring of strength @: repel missiles, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3 a: Dig, Shaft Self You are on level 3 of the Dungeon. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 3 of its levels. You have collected 136 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +3 spear (weapon) Missiles e - 6 silver tomahawks (quivered) Armour g - a +1 robe (worn) Comestibles d - 2 bread rations h - 3 meat rations k - 2 beef jerkies m - 3 slices of pizza w - 2 chunks of gnoll flesh Scrolls f - a scroll of identify l - a scroll of remove curse n - 2 scrolls of recharging Jewellery o - a +5 ring of strength (left hand) (You took it off a hobgoblin on level 1 of the Dungeon) u - a ring of positive energy (right hand) (You took it off a gnoll on level 3 of the Dungeon) Potions b - a bubbling black potion i - a brown potion j - a sedimented brown potion r - a fizzy red potion s - a black potion Books c - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 *Call Imp Summoning 2 *Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 *Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 *Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: + Level 2.7 Fighting + Level 2.8 Dodging + Level 4.0 Stealth * Level 5.1 Spellcasting * Level 3.3 Conjurations - Level 1.0 Summonings Level 0.8 Translocations * Level 2.8 Air Magic + Level 2.4 Poison Magic You have 6 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj ###. 3% 1 None c - Call Imp Summ #....... 14% 2 None d - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ###..... 12% 3 ###.... e - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ##...... 21% 3 ###.... m - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ##.... 12% 2 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (3/15) Altars: Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations Your are under a permanent stasis effect. You can dig through walls and to a lower floor. Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield. You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv). Message History Aim: a gnoll, wielding a spear (almost dead) You reach to attack! You hit the gnoll. You kill the gnoll! No target in view! No target in view! You swap places. No target in view! Things that are here: a spear; a gnoll corpse You closely miss the hobgoblin. Your white imp hits the hobgoblin but does no damage. The hobgoblin hits you but does no damage. You closely miss the hobgoblin. Your white imp closely misses the hobgoblin. The hobgoblin misses you. You hit the hobgoblin. The hobgoblin is severely wounded. Your white imp hits the hobgoblin. Your white imp freezes the hobgoblin. The hobgoblin dies! No target in view! No target in view! You swap places. Things that are here: a spear; a gnoll corpse You start butchering the gnoll corpse. You continue butchering the corpse. You continue butchering the corpse. x2 Magic restored. You finish butchering the gnoll corpse. w - 3 chunks of gnoll flesh You see here a spear. Eat one of 3 chunks of gnoll flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. Your white imp disappears in a puff of smoke! You continue eating. x2 You see here a club. HP restored. You see here a throwing net. You enter the shallow water. Moving in this stuff is going to be slow. Partly explored, can't reach some places. Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away. Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away. You see here a club. You see here a throwing net. You see here a club. You see here a spear. You see here a whip. Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away. You see here a scroll of random uselessness. There is a stone staircase leading down here. .......[.......................#. ...............................#. ....................##'#+######## ....................##.#.# ###....................#.# #............######....#.# ......##.....# #<.##.#.# ##.##.############..#..#.######## #.#.#...........@...........>.... #...#..#########.#..#(...######## #...#........<##.#..#..#..# ##.##.........##?#..#..#..# ).#...........##.#..#..#..## #)%...........##.#[.#..#...# ....[.........##.#..)..#...# #.............##....#.##.#.## #....).................#.#[.# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures An orc priest (D:3) A gnoll shaman (D:3) 26 gnolls (D:3) 4 adders A shadow imp (D:3) 2 giant mites (D:3) A white imp (D:3) 4 giant geckos 12 orcs (D:3) A ball python (D:1) 12 bats 16 hobgoblins 18 jackals 6 kobolds A quokka (D:2) 3 giant newts 6 goblins 6 rats 121 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An orc warrior (D:3) A gnoll sergeant (D:3) The ghost of susan the Skirmisher, a weakling DsBe of Trog (D:3) 2 orc priests (D:3) A gnoll shaman (D:3) 9 gnolls (D:3) An inept feature mimic (D:3) 2 worms 2 orcs (D:3) 2 hobgoblins 6 jackals A giant cockroach (D:2) 29 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A crimson imp (D:3) A white imp (D:3) 2 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 152 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Aule, the Formicid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4 30 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 204 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 2/20 MP: 0/7 487 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 490 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 556 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 861 | D:1 | Identified a ring of strength (You took it off a hobgoblin on level 1 of the Dungeon) 969 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 0/9 1550 | D:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 1550 | D:1 | Identified 3 scrolls of enchant weapon 1553 | D:1 | Identified a scroll of teleportation 1819 | D:2 | Reached skill level 2 in Dodging 2688 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 32/32 MP: 6/11 2739 | D:2 | Identified a scroll of enchant armour 2740 | D:2 | Identified 2 scrolls of remove curse 2741 | D:2 | Identified a scroll of amnesia 2742 | D:2 | Identified a scroll of identify 2742 | D:2 | Identified a potion of heal wounds 2743 | D:2 | Identified a scroll of immolation 2744 | D:2 | Identified 4 scrolls of random uselessness 2745 | D:2 | Identified a scroll of recharging 3056 | D:3 | Noticed an orc warrior 4158 | D:3 | Killed an orc warrior 4158 | D:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Fighting 4158 | D:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Stealth 4158 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting 4158 | D:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations 4158 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 4158 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 7/15 4163 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 4348 | D:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 4433 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/44 MP: 11/17 5719 | D:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Poison Magic 5839 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/50 MP: 10/18 6034 | D:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic 6447 | D:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations 6697 | D:3 | Noticed a gnoll sergeant 6751 | D:3 | Noticed susan's ghost (weakling DsBe) 7037 | D:3 | Killed susan's ghost 7037 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 7115 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth 7235 | D:3 | Killed a gnoll sergeant 7389 | D:3 | Identified a ring of positive energy (You took it off a gnoll on level 3 of the Dungeon) 7473 | D:3 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 57/57 MP: 18/21 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 15 | | || 15 Short sword | 7 | | || 7 Spear | 26 | 89 | 90 || 205 Cast: Magic Dart | 90 | 109 | 93 || 292 Call Imp | 6 | 21 | 19 || 46 Repel Missiles | 1 | 1 | 1 || 3 Mephitic Cloud | 1 | 12 | 6 || 19 Conjure Flame | | 2 | 5 || 7 Abil: Dig | 1 | | || 1 Use: Scroll | 4 | 7 | || 11 Potion | | 1 | || 1 Eat: Chunk | 5 | 13 | 7 || 25

Yes (also, re: "surviving the madness", >)

I'm going to assume this is lemuel's castle and then you got a random orc band (the orcs wouldn't be part of the castle monsters).

I just started having vaults logged in my morgues, so I won't know for sure until the end, but it sounds about right. It's like a long fortress surrounded by a moat and having a wide doorway.

So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh? Found an insane vault that was like the library of Alexandria in my last serious Fo game that as it turns out was called the "lemuel_crystal_altar." There were like 8-10 books with 10 spells each in them, but at least there was something there to justify the madness. I didn't see much in the way of loot for this D:3 vault. It contained exactly one scroll of recharging, and nothing else.

Aule wrote:So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh?

"My mission is to annoy."

It's a shame his acid_trip was ruined forever by the cruel devteam; that vault was just something else.

...lemuel_crystal_altar is a simple altar vault; it places no books.

You probably are looking for evilmike_library_of_no_secrets or similar.

That's the one. I checked the morgue, and all those books were ided on d:12, which was indeed the evilmike_library_of_no_secrets.

Effin awesome stuff. Those especially hairy vaults should be required to have good loot like that. Not necessarily that much, but certainly something of a high quality.

Aule wrote:That's the one. I checked the morgue, and all those books were ided on d:12, which was indeed the evilmike_library_of_no_secrets.

Effin awesome stuff. Those especially hairy vaults should be required to have good loot like that. Not necessarily that much, but certainly something of a high quality.

Hard vaults are their own reward.

What's the vault with the conjurer statues that spam orbs of destruction at you?
just_walk_away?

Aule wrote:So that lemuel is a real motherfucker, eh?

Sounds right. His firehouse vault with all three downstairs spawned on both my last two Zot runs, messing with my diving. It's not even hard, it's just

Sar wrote:"My mission is to annoy."

...yeah.

nicolae wrote:Hard vaults are their own reward.

Truly? Then win a game "naked," without using any loot at all, tough guy. By your standard, you should have so much fun you'll wet yourself.

The fun is in the journey, not the destination.

Aule wrote:
nicolae wrote:Hard vaults are their own reward.

Truly? Then win a game "naked," without using any loot at all, tough guy. By your standard, you should have so much fun you'll wet yourself.

I didn't say they were a reward for the player.

In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists, I can reasonably expect vaults to be outlandish, silly, overly difficult, or a combination of the three.

Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists

Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures

nicolae wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists

Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures

He would know; he made the vault.

(cheibrodos_breeding_chamber)

Does it have any good loot though?

Arrhythmia wrote:
nicolae wrote:
Cheibrodos wrote:In a game where a vault shaped like a vagina exists

Is this an actual vault or is this going to be like the old joke about the guy who looks at a bunch of Rorschach blots and yells at the psychiatrist for showing him dirty pictures

He would know; he made the vault.

(cheibrodos_breeding_chamber)

Ah. That's definitely a womb, yes.

Sar wrote:Does it have any good loot though?

In the mentioned case of a vagina vault, I assume that just penetrating the vault would be considered its own reward. Loot would be counterproductive. One could slip in slowly, or pound it like a battering ram, but either way the climax is supposed to feel like being fucked.

Wow. I thanked Aule's message and got this: "Fatal error: Class 'messenger' not found in /var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/tavern/includes/functions_thanks.php on line 511" but the thank got through anyway so I guess the forum sex police just missed their target...

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