Gods, I love this game


If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it belongs here. Also, come here if you just need to get hammered.

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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 03:24

Gods, I love this game

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.

5 Aule the Magician (level 1, 0/7 HPs)
             Began as a Felid Wizard on Dec 9, 2014.
             Slain by a bat (1 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:01:25 (570 turns).

Aule the Magician (Felid Wizard)                     Turns: 570, Time: 00:01:25

HP   0/7         AC  1     Str  3      XL: 1   Next: 66%
MP   1/5         EV 17     Int 19      God:
Gold 11          SH  0     Dex 14      Spells:  1 memorised,  5 levels left
                                       Lives: 0, deaths: 0

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     (weapon unavailable)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (shield unavailable)
rPois  .         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (cloak unavailable)
SustAb .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     .....                    (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: quick, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: paw claws, no armour, no weapons or thrown items, fangs 3, see invisible,
carnivore 3, speed 1, shaggy fur 1, slow metabolism 1, jump 1
a: Jump Attack


You were on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You were not hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels.

You collected 11 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Comestibles
 d - a meat ration
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of magic mapping {unknown}
 b - a scroll of immolation {unknown}
Books
 c - a book of Minor Magic   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   Call Imp                           Summoning                    2
   Repel Missiles                     Charms/Air                   2
   Slow                               Hexes                        2
   Conjure Flame                      Conjuration/Fire             3
   Mephitic Cloud                     Conjuration/Poison/Air       3


   Skills:
 + Level 2.9 Dodging
 + Level 2.6 Stealth
 + Level 3.2 Spellcasting
 + Level 0.8 Conjurations
   Level 1.0 Summonings
   Level 1.5 Translocations


You had 5 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #...         12%         1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/15)           

Altars:


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items.
Your paws have sharp claws.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have a slow metabolism.
You can jump attack at a short distance.


Message History

Casting: Magic Dart
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Magic Dart
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - bat
Aim: a bat
The magic dart hits the bat.
The bat is moderately wounded.
The bat misses you. The bat hits you.
Casting: Magic Dart
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You don't have enough magic to cast that spell.
The bat completely misses you.
The bat closely misses you.
You scratch the bat but do no damage. The bat barely misses you.
The bat closely misses you.
You barely miss the bat. Your bite misses the bat. The bat closely misses you.
The bat barely misses you. x2
You closely miss the bat. The bat hits you but does no damage.
The bat hits you. The bat misses you.
You barely miss the bat. The bat completely misses you.
The bat misses you. The bat closely misses you.
You miss the bat. The bat closely misses you. The bat misses you.
The bat closely misses you.
The bat closely misses you.
The bat barely misses you. The bat hits you.
The bat closely misses you. The bat completely misses you.
You barely miss the bat. The bat completely misses you.
The bat barely misses you.
You barely miss the bat. The bat barely misses you.
The bat hits you.
The bat hits you but does no damage. The bat closely misses you.
You closely miss the bat. The bat misses you. The bat hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Your magical contamination has completely faded away.
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
The bat hits you but does no damage.
The bat hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The bat barely misses you.
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
Casting: Magic Dart
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Magic Dart
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - bat
Aim: a bat
The magic dart hits the bat. The bat closely misses you. The bat hits you.
You die...

 .    #...'....# .
#.    #.###....##?#
#s    #.# #....##.#
#.    #.# ##+#.##.#
#.    ######.#.##.#    #
#.    ............#   .#
#.    ######.#.##.###..#
#.##########...........##
#.......sb@...............
#################.####.##
                #.#
                #.#
                #.#
                #.#
                #.#
                #..
                ###


You could see a giant cockroach and a bat.

Vanquished Creatures
  A giant cockroach (D:1)
  A goblin (D:1)
  2 hobgoblins (D:1)
4 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Aule, the Felid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 7/7 MP: 5/5
   570 | D:1      | Slain by a bat


Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           ||    11
 Cast: Magic Dart        ||    16
  Eat: Chunk             ||     1


I mean, what's not fun and exciting about that? Just read the message history, and you'll soon see the thrill. I knew I should have increased the lines of the message log in my rc file! Sorry that you missed the beginning of that edge-of-your-seat action.

Now, to be perfectly clear, let this thread be the start of something subversive, even by the standards of subversive reprobates. Let this be a showcase of those games that truly make you ask yourself if you are mentally deranged just for enjoying the masochism of it, or the rude futility of it, or the incomprehensible randomness of it. The ones that really challenge your sense of what is fun, and make you wonder whether you are just sick.

Like the day when you just could not kill a single, lone fucking bat to save your one and only life.

Pathetic.

This is not the best example, either. I can still see a ray of light in this one. I did not read-id the immo scroll mid-battle. But other than that it could have been perfection.

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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 03:46

Re: Gods, I love this game

You are gonna hate me but I can't help myself:

You are too injured to fight recklessly!


You shouldn't tab against the first enemy on a FeWz, even if it is a bat. You could have probably eliminated about 30% of that bat's hits against you if you backed away, and only attacked when it was next to you.

Of course, I often tab against bats when the area around is clear, even on D1, if I'm not trying to streak or something. But on a FeWz I don't think I'd do that, even in casual play, cause well, 7 HP. Well, okay I wouldn't play a FeWz casually, in the first place, but that's just me.

Anyway, the story is pretty funny though, and I have had some games where hilarious deaths happened right off the bat. (Forgive the pun :) )

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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 04:02

Re: Gods, I love this game

sorry for your loss
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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 05:03

Re: Gods, I love this game

and into wrote:You are gonna hate me but I can't help myself:

You are too injured to fight recklessly!


You shouldn't tab against the first enemy on a FeWz, even if it is a bat. You could have probably eliminated about 30% of that bat's hits against you if you backed away, and only attacked when it was next to you.

Well, you really only see half the battle, there. I wasn't exaggerating that. The point where the cockroach trapped the bat in the hallway between us resulted in kitty taking many hits along the way, and the final act of desperation you quoted was just the foregone conclusion. Seriously, that whole encounter was such an egregiously offensive series of rolls that it defies comprehension. No amount of prudence can defeat such profound bad luck.

Anyway, the story is pretty funny though, and I have had some games where hilarious deaths happened right off the bat. (Forgive the pun :) )

I'm happy the humor was found. :)

twelwe wrote:sorry for your loss

I know! andidevotedsomuchtimetothatlittlekittysniffsniff...

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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 07:49

Re: Gods, I love this game

you must be going batty over that death :lol:
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Post Tuesday, 9th December 2014, 12:46

Re: Gods, I love this game

Well, if no one ever died to a bat, bats should be removed.

Also, sorry for your _devastating_ loss ;)
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Post Friday, 12th December 2014, 20:46

Re: Gods, I love this game

I have the perfect, absolutely perfect game for this: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tasonir/mor ... 100215.txt

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-1814-gad9ca24 (webtiles) character file.

2 tasonir the Ruffian (level 1, 0/18 HPs)
             Began as a Naga Transmuter on July 1, 2014.
             Slain by a hobgoblin
             ... wielding a +0 club
              (2 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:00:40 (123 turns).

tasonir the Ruffian (Naga Transmuter)                Turns: 123, Time: 00:00:40

HP   0/18        AC  1     Str 12      XL: 1   Next: 40%
MP   3/3         EV 10     Int 13      God:
Gold 0           SH  0     Dex 11      Spells:  1 memorised,  3 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     c - +0 robe
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     .     (no helmet)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (no cloak)
SustAb .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (no barding)
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     .....                    (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: short of breath, very slow, not resistant to hostile enchantments, very
unstealthy
A: spit poison, see invisible, deformed body, poison resistance, slowness 2
a: Spit Poison


You were on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You were not hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels.


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear boots.
You can spit poison.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You cover ground very slowly.


   Skills:
 - Level 1.0 Fighting
 - Level 1.5 Dodging
 + Level 3.2 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 2.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 2.0 Transmutations


You had 3 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Beastly Appendage     Trmt           #.....       12%         1    ##.....


Inventory:

Missiles
 b - 12 arrows
Armour
 c - a +0 robe (worn)
 g - a +0 leather armour
Comestibles
 a - a bread ration
 f - a meat ration
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls of teleportation {unknown}
Books
 d - a book of Changes


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/15)           

Altars:

....###....#.###....
.........()(.........
############(######.
           #.#########
           #..).......
     ########.########
     #P.............P#
     #≈P...........P≈#
     #≈≈P..@......P≈≈
     #≈≈≈Pg......P≈≈≈
     #≈≈≈≈P.....P≈≈≈≈#
     #≈≈≈≈≈P.<.P≈≈≈≈≈#
     #≈≈≈≈P.....P≈≈≈≈#
     #≈≈≈P.......P≈≈≈
     #≈≈P.........P≈≈
      ≈P...........P≈
       ...........(.


You could see a hobgoblin.

Message History

You start resting.
A hobgoblin comes into view. It is wielding a club.
The hobgoblin shouts!
The hobgoblin hits you with a club.
You closely miss the hobgoblin. The hobgoblin hits you with a club.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You are too injured to fight recklessly!
You hit the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin is moderately wounded.
The hobgoblin hits you with a club.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Use which ability? (? or * to list)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - hobgoblin
Aim: a hobgoblin, wielding a club (moderately wounded)
The splash of poison misses the hobgoblin.
You feel slightly more hungry.
The hobgoblin hits you but does no damage.
You barely miss the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin is moderately wounded.
The hobgoblin hits you but does no damage.
You closely miss the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin is moderately wounded.
The hobgoblin hits you with a club.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You hit the hobgoblin.
The hobgoblin is heavily wounded.
The hobgoblin hits you with a club.
You die...


Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           ||    15
 Abil: Spit Poison       ||     1

Vault maps used:
D:1:      eino_arrival_druids_welcome

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | tasonir, the Naga Transmuter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 3/3
   122 | D:1      | HP: 2/18 [hobgoblin/club (1)]
   123 | D:1      | Slain by a hobgoblin

Vanquished Creatures
  A hobgoblin (D:1)
  A bat (D:1)
  A kobold (D:1)
3 creatures vanquished.


Read that entire message log, it's gold. To be fair, I didn't use beastly appendage, I didn't think I'd need it, but I did at least try a poison spit, which missed. Also: this is the character that ended my longest streak, with 4 wins. I'm not entirely sure how much health I had when I started the fight, naga max hp is 18, but I had fought some things before this, they were completely killed, then the hobgoblin approached me. I'd say I had something like 12/18 hp or so, and then the fight started. It was definitely over 60% because that's my autofight threshold, and I was able to tab until after he hit me twice. To be fair I picked Naga Transmuter because I wasn't really trying to extend the streak, but this was just harsh.

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Post Saturday, 13th December 2014, 18:44

Re: Gods, I love this game

Okay, I think this definitely qualifies, also, even though my character is still alive after it. This is the dump after completing D:4. XL8 after completion. And he died, once, so really XL9. Some kind of gnoll fortress on D:4 whose denizens just let themselves out. Gotta love it.
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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.

Aule the Magician (Felid Wizard)                    Turns: 9457, Time: 00:47:56

HP  34/34        AC  2     Str  4      XL: 8   Next: 18%
MP  23/23        EV 17     Int 23      God:
Gold 220         SH  0     Dex 14      Spells:  6 memorised,  5 levels left
                                       Lives: 1, deaths: 1

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (shield unavailable)
rPois  .         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (cloak unavailable)
SustAb .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     +....                    (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: repel missiles, quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly
stealthy
A: paw claws, no armour, no weapons or thrown items, fangs 3, see invisible,
carnivore 3, clever 1, speed 1, shaggy fur 2, slow metabolism 1, jump 2
a: Jump Attack


You are on level 4 of the Dungeon.
You are very full.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 4 of its levels.

You have collected 220 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Comestibles
 d - 3 meat rations
 j - a beef jerky
Scrolls
 b - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 i - 5 scrolls of identify
 k - 2 scrolls of noise
Potions
 e - 2 potions of restore abilities
 f - a potion of brilliance
Books
 c - a book of Flames
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Flame Tongue                       Conjuration/Fire             1
   Throw Flame                        Conjuration/Fire             2
   *Conjure Flame                     Conjuration/Fire             3
   Inner Flame                        Hexes/Fire                   3
   Sticky Flame                       Conjuration/Fire             4
   Fireball                           Conjuration/Fire             5


   Skills:
 + Level 2.9 Fighting
 - Level 2.6 Dodging
 - Level 2.6 Stealth
 + Level 2.7 Unarmed Combat
 * Level 5.6 Spellcasting
 * Level 3.9 Conjurations
 - Level 1.0 Summonings
 - Level 1.5 Translocations
 + Level 2.5 Fire Magic
 + Level 2.6 Air Magic
 - Level 3.1 Poison Magic


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ###.         1%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          10%         2    None
c - Call Imp              Summ           ##......     12%         2    None
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     10%         3    ##.....
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ###.....     10%         3    ##.....
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       10%         2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (4/15)           
Temple: D:4-7       

Altars:


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items.
Your paws have sharp claws.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.
You are covered in thick fur (AC +2).
You have a slow metabolism.
You can jump attack at a medium distance.
Your mind is acute. (Int +2)


Message History

You see here 2 potions of poison.
Why would you want to do that?
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
Splash!
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Magic restored.
All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You see here a dagger.
You see here a throwing net.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
You see here a throwing net.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
You see here a throwing net.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Why would you want to do that?
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
Splash!
Done exploring.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
Why would you want to do that?
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
Splash!
You see here a throwing net.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You start resting.
Magic restored.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
As you read the scroll labeled MNUUQO FRICUT, it crumbles to dust.
You assume a fearsome visage. Nothing appears to happen.
It was a scroll of fear.
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Okay, then.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Grinder (D:4)
  An ogre (D:4)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:4)
  A crimson imp (D:4)
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  An orc priest (D:4)
  2 iguanas (D:4)
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  An orc wizard (D:4)
  4 worker ants (D:4)
  Jessica (D:2)
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  8 adders
  31 gnolls
  2 shadow imps (D:4)
  A giant mite (D:3)
  3 worms
  3 giant geckos
  An ooze (D:1)
  8 orcs
  A ball python (D:3)
  6 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  4 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  5 kobolds
  4 giant newts
  23 jackals
  A kobold skeleton (D:4)
  8 rats
136 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hound (D:4)
  An iguana (D:4)
  An orc wizard (D:4)
  13 gnolls (D:4)
  A giant mite (D:3)
  A giant gecko (D:4)
  3 orcs
  3 bats
  A hobgoblin (D:1)
  A goblin (D:1)
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:4)
  4 jackals
  2 kobolds (D:3)
  3 rats
36 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A crimson imp (D:4)
  2 shadow imps
  2 white imps (D:4)
5 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 177 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Aule, the Felid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 7/7 MP: 5/5
   386 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
   822 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 9/12 MP: 0/7
   826 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
   829 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
  1435 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 10/15 MP: 2/10
  1564 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1570 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1588 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  1588 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
  2303 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2303 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/19 MP: 3/13
  2966 | D:2      | Identified 2 scrolls of identify
  2966 | D:2      | Identified a potion of restore abilities
  2967 | D:2      | Identified 4 scrolls of remove curse
  3136 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  3686 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
  3888 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  4004 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 22/22 MP: 5/16
  4230 | D:3      | Identified a scroll of recharging
  4231 | D:3      | Identified 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
  4232 | D:3      | Identified 3 scrolls of noise
  4234 | D:3      | Identified a potion of brilliance
  4235 | D:3      | Identified a potion of heal wounds
  4236 | D:3      | Identified a potion of curing
  4244 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations
  4246 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  4621 | D:4      | Slain by an iguana
  4622 | D:4      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 0/19 MP: 0/14
  4726 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 10/22 MP: 4/16
  4950 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Fighting
  4962 | D:4      | Noticed Grinder
  5276 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
  5283 | D:4      | Paralysed by Grinder for 7 turns
  5466 | D:4      | Paralysed by Grinder for 6 turns
  5471 | D:4      | Killed Grinder
  5471 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Unarmed Combat
  5471 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic
  5471 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Poison Magic
  5471 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur (AC +2). [growing up]
  5471 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You can jump attack at a medium distance. [growing up]
  5471 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 16/27 MP: 7/18
  6433 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 22/30 MP: 4/21
  6465 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations
  6465 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Fire Magic
  6599 | D:4      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
  6685 | D:4      | Identified a potion of lignification
  6739 | D:4      | Identified a potion of resistance
  6740 | D:4      | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of beneficial mutation]
  6740 | D:4      | Identified a potion of beneficial mutation
  7476 | D:4      | Identified a book of Flames
  7489 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  8044 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  8060 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  8120 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 34/34 MP: 11/23
  8866 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Poison Magic
  9283 | D:4      | Identified 2 potions of poison
  9456 | D:4      | Identified a scroll of fear


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |     7 |    83 |    62 ||   152
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    64 |   140 |   127 ||   331
       Call Imp          |     6 |    30 |    28 ||    64
       Mephitic Cloud    |     1 |    22 |    37 ||    60
       Conjure Flame     |       |     7 |     6 ||    13
       Blink             |       |     5 |     9 ||    14
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |     6 |     2 ||     8
       Potion            |       |     2 |     3 ||     5
 Stab: Confused          |       |     4 |     9 ||    13
       Distracted        |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |    10 |     9 |    13 ||    32


Relevant kill list totals:
  Code:
  Grinder (D:4)
  An ogre (D:4)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:4)
  A hound (D:4)
  A crimson imp (D:4)
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  An orc wizard (D:4)
  An orc priest (D:4)
  3 iguanas (D:4)
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  An orc wizard (D:4)
  4 worker ants (D:4)
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  8 adders
  44 gnolls


Coda: Died to one of several decaying bog bodies on D:5 (Ossuary).

This is seriously insane.

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Post Sunday, 14th December 2014, 03:34

Re: Gods, I love this game

This is D:1 -

"Here: a hobgoblin, wielding a club, wearing a plate armour and wearing a tourmaline ring"

The indestructible hobgoblin. Totally ridiculous.
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Post Sunday, 14th December 2014, 04:01

Re: Gods, I love this game

If I lost a life early on with a Fe, I'd probably just lose interest and suicide.
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Post Sunday, 14th December 2014, 15:53

Re: Gods, I love this game

xentronium wrote:If I lost a life early on with a Fe, I'd probably just lose interest and suicide.

I've done that a number of times. Live, Die, Repeat.

The hobgoblin's tourmaline ring was MR.

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Post Monday, 15th December 2014, 17:36

Re: Gods, I love this game

  Code:
  4397 | D:3      | Killed from afar by a deep elf mage
  4398 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: -9/19 MP: 0/14
  4398 | D:3      | Quit the game
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Post Monday, 15th December 2014, 23:49

Re: Gods, I love this game

Where did that mage come from?
...MiAK}TeAMDrIE{FoVMVSFi}{MuVMGhGlVpMo}HaWrSpWz{OgGlTrMo}{CeWnMfBeMiSk}DrEE{GrFiFoGl}
DgEnFeNe{OpGlHuSu}DDArHaCKSpAEGrTmDgFEDsCjGhMoHuVM{HaAMBaEn}{HuMoHOWn}DsWzDDHu
{DgWnGnBe}FeIE{MiEnMfCj}SpNeBaEEGrFE{HaAKTrCK}DsFESpHu{FoArNaBe}FeEE{HOIEMiAE}GrGlHuWr

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Post Tuesday, 16th December 2014, 00:22

Re: Gods, I love this game

Sprucery wrote:Where did that mage come from?

Somewhere on D:4. I never saw the vault.

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Post Thursday, 1st January 2015, 23:04

Re: Gods, I love this game

Here's another one. Been playing formicids since my last win, and they are some buff beasts. They should be abbreviated MoFo, really. There's no reason I shouldn't have won with the first one, and died quite stupidly. Since then almost every death was preventable (fucking bats), and almost every one has been over XL10, so it's no an inherent weakness in this species. The current (7th) one is being played even more cautiously, now XL13, and with 13 levels completely explored and most of Orc:4 covered, plus a sewer, he's got... nothing. Trying to take Orc 4 with Minor magic and a couple wands is stupid hard. Throw Fannar and Nessos in there for good times, and it's a real party. No fucking scrolls anywhere, for anything. Used a couple rc and id, but that's it. No books that are usable, but two highlevels (joy). Vehumet and the dungeon have conspired to maximum parsimony, and there is absolutely nothing fun about playing this way. And then I hear you're making it even harder, because you're just sick is the best I can tell.

Look at the kill list. Minor magic and a couple wands. Ridiculous. Insanely hard is no fun if there is no reward. Basic game science.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.

Aule the Thaumaturge (Formicid Wizard)             Turns: 25259, Time: 03:13:40

HP  98/98        AC  6     Str 10      XL: 13   Next:  3%
MP  32/32        EV 11     Int 23      God: Vehumet [*****.]
Gold 850         SH 11     Dex  9      Spells:  8 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     b - +0 trident (venom)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     j - +0 leather armour {rPois}
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     x - +2 shield
rPois  +         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (no cloak)
SustAb .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   +     G - +0 pair of boots
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     ++...                    B - ring of protection from magic
                                k - ring of invisibility

@: repel missiles, drained, very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3,
yellow scales 1, weak 1, placid magic 1
a: Dig, Shaft Self, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer.

You have collected 1258 gold pieces.
You have spent 408 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +2 trident of freezing
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 b - a +0 trident of venom (weapon)
   (You took it off Blork the orc on level 4 of the Dungeon)
Armour
 j - a +0 leather armour of poison resistance (worn)
   (You took it off Eustachio on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 m - a +0 buckler
 r - a runed robe
 x - a +2 shield (worn)
 F - a +2 leather armour of cold resistance
   (You took it off Joseph on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 G - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
Magical devices
 f - a wand of confusion {empty}
 h - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 6}
Comestibles
 d - 5 bread rations
 l - 2 royal jellies
 n - 4 rotting chunks of orc flesh
 p - a meat ration
 t - 2 chunks of orc flesh
 E - 15 fruits
Scrolls
 i - a scroll of identify
Jewellery
 k - a ring of invisibility (left hand)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Dungeon)
 B - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Potions
 e - a potion of brilliance
 q - a potion of magic
 s - a potion of porridge
 u - 7 potions of curing
 v - 2 potions of flight
 C - a potion of resistance
 D - a potion of restore abilities
 H - a potion of cure mutation
 I - a potion of heal wounds
Books
 c - a book of Minor Magic   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   *Call Imp                          Summoning                    2
   *Repel Missiles                    Charms/Air                   2
   Slow                               Hexes                        2
   *Conjure Flame                     Conjuration/Fire             3
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3
 g - a paperback book {highlevel}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
 o - a papyrus book {highlevel}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
 z - a book of Spatial Translocations
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                3
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4


   Skills:
 - Level 8.1(7.9) Fighting
 - Level 3.4(3.2) Polearms
 - Level 5.3(5.1) Dodging
 - Level 2.5(2.3) Stealth
 - Level 6.3(6.0) Shields
 - Level 10.7(10.5) Spellcasting
 + Level 9.5(9.3) Conjurations
 - Level 2.7(2.5) Summonings
 - Level 0.8(0.6) Translocations
 + Level 5.7(5.5) Fire Magic
 - Level 3.0(2.8) Air Magic
 - Level 3.4(3.2) Poison Magic
 - Level 5.4(5.2) Evocations


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         0%          1    None
b - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ####......   17%         6    ######.
c - Call Imp              Summ           ###.....     2%          2    None
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     1%          3    None
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ####....     1%          3    None
f - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       ####......   3%          5    ###....
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       4%          2    None
p - Apportation           Tloc           ##........   4%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (0/8) D:10       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:7 !   Orc:4 !


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your are under a permanent stasis effect.
You can dig through walls and to a lower floor.
Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield.
You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv).
You are partially covered in yellow scales (AC +2).
You are weak. (Str -2)
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.


Message History

Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Mephitic Cloud
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - you, p - orc
Okay, then.
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning. You feel a bit more experienced.
You smell something rotten. (slot n)
There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here.
Items here: ( ///
a wand of cold {empty}; a wand of draining {empty}; a wand of lightning {empty}
4 tomahawks
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(L) Lair           
Where to? (Enter - Orc:4 @ (x,y), ? - help)
What level of the Lair of Beasts? (default 1, ? - help)
There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here.
You see here 3 tomahawks.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down, spattered with blood here.
Items here: )) [[
a leather armour; a short sword; a scale mail; a flail
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
You climb upwards. Welcome back to the Dungeon!
There is a staircase to the Orcish Mines here.
Things that are here:
a scale mail; a short sword
There is an open door here.
You see here a war axe.
Magic restored.
HP restored.
You see here a ring mail.
Things that are here:
22 arrows; a shortbow
You see here an arrow.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You see here an arrow.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You see here a giant club.
You see here a whip.
There is an open door here.
You see here 5 arrows.
There is a staircase to the Lair here.
Char dumped successfully.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Gastronok (Orc:1)
  Fannar (Orc:4)
  Nessos (Orc:4)
  An orc high priest (Orc:4)
  Nergalle (Orc:4)
  4 hill giants (D:10)
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
  Joseph (D:7)
  4 wandering mushrooms (D:9)
  3 trolls
  A two-headed ogre (Orc:4)
  A hill giant zombie (D:8)
  2 wyverns
  A deep elf mage (D:9)
  Eustachio (D:8)
  2 yaks (D:10)
  Grum (Orc:1)
  A neqoxec (Orc:4)
  A deep elf fighter (D:10)
  A hill giant skeleton (D:10)
  A warg (Orc:1)
  A hungry ghost (D:9)
  2 wolves (Orc:1)
  A water moccasin (D:8)
  A sky beast (D:5)
  7 ice beasts
  3 black bears
  24 orc warriors
  5 centaurs
  A manticore skeleton (D:10)
  10 ogres
  2 crocodiles
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  A big kobold (D:10)
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  7 giant frogs
  A water moccasin zombie (D:10)
  5 scorpions
  14 wights
  4 goliath beetles
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  5 jellies
  A centaur zombie (D:8)
  A crimson imp (D:9)
  41 orc priests
  23 orc wizards
  An iron imp (D:7)
  An elf zombie (D:10)
  5 hounds
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:10)
  3 iguanas
  8 worker ants
  2 ogre skeletons
  A mummy (D:9)
  Terence (D:2)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  8 gnolls
  9 adders
  4 green rats (D:10)
  A giant mite (D:4)
  A shadow imp (D:8)
  3 worms
  An ufetubus (D:8)
  An adder skeleton (D:6)
  2 oozes
  197 orcs
  A bat zombie (D:5)
  8 giant cockroaches
  16 goblins
  19 hobgoblins
  7 jackals
  25 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  19 bats
  5 giant geckos
  8 giant newts
  2 orc zombies
  29 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:7)
  5 ballistomycetes
601 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An ice beast (D:7)
  A giant frog (D:8)
  3 scorpions
  2 oklob saplings (D:9)
  2 orc priests (D:4)
  A crimson imp (D:6)
  A hound (D:9)
  3 adders
  A worm (D:3)
  A giant gecko (D:3)
  10 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:5)
  A hobgoblin (D:1)
  A jackal (Sewer)
  A kobold (D:4)
  A bat (D:3)
  2 giant newts
  A goblin (D:4)
  A rat (D:8)
35 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  7 crimson imps
  A green rat (D:6)
  9 white imps
  4 shadow imps
  A ball python (D:6)
  2 giant spores
  2 fungi (D:10)
26 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 662 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Aule, the Formicid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4
   250 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
   257 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/7
   324 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
   327 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
   613 | D:1      | Identified a ring of invisibility (You found it on level 1 of the Dungeon)
   626 | D:1      | Reached skill level 2 in Dodging
   690 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 5/9
  1124 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1234 | D:1      | Identified 2 scrolls of identify
  1234 | D:1      | Identified a potion of brilliance
  1235 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of noise
  1236 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of immolation
  1237 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of teleportation
  2087 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 29/31 MP: 2/11
  2198 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2426 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  2453 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  2453 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
  2719 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of recharging
  2720 | D:2      | Identified 2 scrolls of magic mapping
  2721 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of fog
  2938 | D:2      | Noticed an ice beast
  2984 | D:2      | Killed an ice beast
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  2984 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/37 MP: 7/15
  3060 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  3683 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  3809 | D:3      | Identified a ring of see invisible (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
  3996 | D:3      | Identified a scroll of remove curse
  4001 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  4125 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4307 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 30/43 MP: 9/17
  4592 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Shields
  4592 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Poison Magic
  4943 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
  5343 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/49 MP: 13/18
  5440 | D:4      | Identified a potion of flight
  5441 | D:4      | Identified a potion of might
  5442 | D:4      | Identified a potion of poison
  5443 | D:4      | Identified a potion of curing
  5453 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  5453 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Summonings
  5705 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  5714 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  5714 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Fighting
  5714 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations
  5999 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic
  6118 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6322 | D:5      | Reached skill level 2 in Fire Magic
  6322 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 14/56 MP: 6/21
  6480 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  6597 | D:4      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  7028 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Poison Magic
  7348 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Fire Magic
  8238 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Shields
  8249 | D:5      | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations
  8571 | D:5      | Identified a potion of magic
  8581 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8601 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8797 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8821 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  8831 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Air Magic
  8839 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 4/23
  8938 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  9048 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging
  9119 | D:6      | Identified a potion of agility
  9120 | D:6      | Identified a potion of mutation
  9121 | D:6      | Identified a potion of heal wounds
  9171 | D:6      | Identified an amulet of faith (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  9589 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  9762 | D:6      | Reached skill level 4 in Shields
 10000 | D:5      | Identified a scroll of random uselessness
 10698 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting
 11035 | D:6      | Identified a scroll of amnesia
 11210 | D:7      | Reached skill level 4 in Fire Magic
 11391 | D:7      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 11412 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
 11464 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
 11464 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
 11657 | D:7      | Found Shroptul's Distillery.
 11662 | D:7      | Identified a ring of protection from magic (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 11668 | D:7      | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces
 11825 | D:7      | Identified a potion of restore abilities
 11840 | D:7      | Identified a scroll of enchant weapon
 12208 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 12361 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 71/71 MP: 8/25
 12626 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
 12732 | D:8      | Reached skill level 2 in Evocations
 12949 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 13034 | D:8      | Noticed Eustachio
 13233 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
 13233 | D:8      | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
 13609 | D:8      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 13616 | D:8      | Identified a book of Spatial Translocations
 14019 | D:8      | Killed Eustachio
 14218 | D:8      | Reached skill level 3 in Evocations
 14263 | D:8      | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations
 14320 | D:8      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 14321 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 14322 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 14322 | D:8      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 14329 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
 14338 | D:8      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
 14342 | D:8      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 14350 | D:8      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 14477 | D:8      | Identified a potion of resistance
 14804 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 14873 | D:9      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 14883 | D:9      | Reached skill level 6 in Shields
 15862 | D:9      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 15893 | D:9      | Acquired Vehumet's first power
 15893 | D:9      | Offered knowledge of Shock by Vehumet.
 15897 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 15898 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/80 MP: 6/28
 15899 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Evocations
 16400 | D:9      | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 16536 | D:9      | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
 16957 | D:9      | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations
 16988 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 17419 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 17674 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 17751 | D:10     | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
 17865 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 18065 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18072 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18134 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18144 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18289 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18306 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18801 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations
 18887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
 18995 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 19005 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 19146 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Searing Ray by Vehumet.
 19199 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 19530 | D:10     | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 19530 | D:10     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 89/89 MP: 19/31
 19902 | D:9      | Identified 2 potions of cure mutation
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in yellow scales (AC +2). [potion of mutation]
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation]
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [potion of mutation]
 19904 | D:9      | Lost mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of cure mutation]
 19904 | D:9      | Lost mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [potion of cure mutation]
 19925 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 20141 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet.
 20144 | Orc:1    | Noticed Grum
 20158 | Orc:1    | Killed Grum
 20434 | Orc:1    | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 20636 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20636 | Orc:1    | Noticed Gastronok
 20650 | Orc:1    | Killed Gastronok
 20650 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Static Discharge by Vehumet.
 20650 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
 20650 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms
 20825 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 21703 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 2 in Polearms
 21720 | Orc:3    | Offered knowledge of Lightning Bolt by Vehumet.
 22047 | Orc:3    | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt
 22048 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 22048 | Orc:4    | Noticed Fannar
 22048 | Orc:4    | Noticed Nessos
 22485 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 22673 | Orc:4    | Killed Fannar
 22681 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 3 in Polearms
 22688 | Orc:4    | Killed Nessos
 22688 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
 22688 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations
 23038 | Orc:4    | Found Keiten's Distillery.
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of porridge for 18 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 54 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 54 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought 2 potions of heal wounds for 108 gold pieces
 23456 | Orc:4    | Noticed Nergalle
 23555 | Orc:3    | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 23651 | Orc:3    | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 23715 | Orc:4    | Noticed a spectral orc warlord
 24101 | Orc:4    | Killed Nergalle
 24183 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 24477 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 24479 | Orc:4    | Noticed a sun demon
 24502 | Orc:4    | HP: 3/92 [sun demon[an orc high priest] (19)]
 25042 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 25042 | Orc:4    | Reached XP level 13. HP: 92/98 MP: 28/32
 25092 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 25100 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 25100 | Orc:4    | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [a neqoxec]
 25103 | Orc:4    | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [a neqoxec]


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    11 |       |       |       |       ||    11
       Spear             |       |    81 |       |       |       ||    81
       Trident           |       |    50 |   254 |   990 |    24 ||  1318
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    93 |   120 |   317 |   373 |       ||   903
       Call Imp          |     3 |    20 |    38 |    25 |       ||    86
       Repel Missiles    |     1 |       |     4 |     5 |       ||    10
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |    16 |    38 |   186 |     7 ||   247
       Conjure Flame     |       |     1 |    50 |   125 |     3 ||   179
       Lightning Bolt    |       |       |       |    18 |       ||    18
 Abil: Dig               |       |       |     2 |     2 |       ||     4
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |    12 |    16 |       ||    28
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |     4 |    11 |     3 |       ||    22
       Potion            |       |       |     4 |     8 |       ||    12
 Stab: Confused          |       |     1 |     4 |    52 |     2 ||    59
       Sleeping          |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     4 |    10 |    19 |    32 |       ||    65
       Beef jerky        |       |     1 |     3 |     1 |       ||     5
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |     3 |       ||     4
       Bread ration      |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1

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Post Thursday, 1st January 2015, 23:14

Re: Gods, I love this game

Well either my eyes deceive me or you do have a couple of bolt spells memorized.

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Post Thursday, 1st January 2015, 23:57

Re: Gods, I love this game

Sar wrote:Well either my eyes deceive me or you do have a couple of bolt spells memorized.

Just got the fire from Veh, but unusable immediately, and lightning bolt was a desperation move because it's pretty useless for the most part, draining an entire MP pool for one kill, basically. I was also offered many other spells that spell doom rather than assistance, but I'm used to that.

Just place some appropriate books, like you do weapons and armor, as you go deeper. Is it really so essential to make it next to impossible to move forward? Anyway, I left orc:4 and headed for lair. Things are looking up. I found another scroll of identify, doubling my bounty of scrolls in one swoop. Rock and roll, man.

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Post Friday, 2nd January 2015, 00:00

Re: Gods, I love this game

Lightning Bolt is really good if you crank up the spellpower on it. Low power LB feels like the worst thing ever, yeah, but it's true for a lot of spells (especially the ones with miss chance). Vehumet actually makes it worse, sort of, since he gives you wizardry so you can cast LBolt with really crappy spellpower.

Edit: well, LBolt is also really loud which should be a concern for you since you can't tele or hastewalk from danger.

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Post Friday, 2nd January 2015, 00:38

Re: Gods, I love this game

Personally, I prefer to finish Lair before doing Orc:4. Things can get pretty out of hand there if you're not careful, though that's true for most branch ends (and most other places in the game, for that matter.) With your current setup, Lair should be pretty straightforward; you've got Mephitic Cloud for blink frogs/yaks and you've got Lightning Bolt, which can sometimes double-zap kill hydras with a single well-placed cast.

I really wouldn't say that crawl is insanely hard. It takes a while to learn what tools you have at your disposal, but mostly it's a game about patience and careful play. I only think of it as hard because I 'lose' so often as a consequence of stupid mistakes. There's no reward for losing, but losing can still be fun. True, crawl is a game that can be 'won', but all paths return to the same screen in the end, which is just the beginning.

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Re: Gods, I love this game

Sar wrote:Lightning Bolt is really good if you crank up the spellpower on it. Low power LB feels like the worst thing ever, yeah, but it's true for a lot of spells (especially the ones with miss chance). Vehumet actually makes it worse, sort of, since he gives you wizardry so you can cast LBolt with really crappy spellpower.

Edit: well, LBolt is also really loud which should be a concern for you since you can't tele or hastewalk from danger.


Danger like as in sun demon? Fire bolt was working well, and so I went back to claim the books that were likely to be found in the orc shops (it had almost been cleared already), and the last high priest's sun demon just would not timeout, wasting me as I attempted to ascend the stairs a mile away from when I ran, also badly malmutated by his neqoxec. Fucking horse shit. I never have this kind of trouble in orc. Amazing what privation can do to the whole experience.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.

27062 Aule the Thaumaturge (level 13, -7/99 HPs)
             Began as a Formicid Wizard on Jan 1, 2015.
             Was a High Priest of Vehumet.
             Mangled by a sun demon (18 damage)
             ... summoned by an orc high priest
             ... on Level 4 of the Orcish Mines on Jan 2, 2015.
             The game lasted 03:41:07 (29174 turns).

Aule the Thaumaturge (Formicid Wizard)             Turns: 29174, Time: 03:41:07

HP  -7/99        AC 11     Str 10      XL: 13   Next: 62%
MP  31/33        EV 12     Int 22 (23) God: Vehumet [*****.]
Gold 1008        SH  5     Dex  9      Spells:  8 memorised, 12 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     a - +2 trident (freeze)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     j - +0 leather armour {rPois}
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     m - +0 buckler
rPois  +         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     (no cloak)
SustAb .         Warding  .     n - +4 pair of gloves "Dosaddey" {rElec}
rMut   .         Stasis   +     G - +0 pair of boots
Gourm  .                        (no amulet)
MR     ++...                    B - ring of protection from magic
                                k - ring of invisibility

@: repel missiles, very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: permanent stasis, dig shafts and tunnels, four strong arms, antennae 3,
yellow scales 1, weak 1, placid magic 1
a: Dig, Shaft Self, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You were on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was extremely pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 17 of its levels.
You also visited: Sewer.

You collected 1416 gold pieces.
You spent 408 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +2 trident of freezing (weapon)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 b - a +0 trident of venom
   (You took it off Blork the orc on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 K - a +1 trident of piercing
   (You took it off an orc priest on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
Missiles
 A - 8 silver javelins (quivered)
Armour
 j - a +0 leather armour of poison resistance (worn)
   (You took it off Eustachio on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 m - a +0 buckler (worn)
 n - the +4 pair of gloves "Dosaddey" (worn) {rElec}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
 r - a +2 robe of magic resistance
   (You took it off Nergalle on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
 x - a +2 shield
 F - a +2 leather armour of cold resistance
   (You took it off Joseph on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 G - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
Magical devices
 f - a wand of confusion (0)
 h - a wand of paralysis (6)
 t - a wand of fireball (5)
Comestibles
 d - 5 bread rations
 l - 2 royal jellies
 p - 2 meat rations
 E - 28 fruits
Scrolls
 i - 3 scrolls of identify
 w - a scroll of enchant weapon
Jewellery
 k - a ring of invisibility (left hand)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Dungeon)
 y - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 B - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
   (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
Potions
 e - a potion of brilliance
 q - a potion of magic
 s - a potion of porridge
 u - 7 potions of curing
 v - 2 potions of flight
 C - a potion of resistance
 D - a potion of restore abilities
 H - a potion of cure mutation
Books
 c - a book of Minor Magic   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   *Call Imp                          Summoning                    2
   *Repel Missiles                    Charms/Air                   2
   Slow                               Hexes                        2
   *Conjure Flame                     Conjuration/Fire             3
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3
 g - a Necronomicon {highlevel, unknown}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Haunt                              Necromancy/Summoning         7
   Borgnjor's Revivification          Necromancy                   8
   Death's Door                       Charms/Necromancy            8
   Necromutation                      Transmutation/Necromancy     8
 o - a Grand Grimoire {highlevel, unknown}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Aura of Abjuration                 Summoning                    6
   Forceful Dismissal                 Summoning                    6
   Summon Greater Demon               Summoning                    7
   Malign Gateway                     Summoning/Translocation      7
   Summon Horrible Things             Summoning                    8
 z - a book of Spatial Translocations
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Apportation                       Translocation                1
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                3
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4


   Skills:
 + Level 8.7 Fighting
 - Level 3.4 Polearms
 + Level 6.1 Dodging
 - Level 2.5 Stealth
 + Level 7.2 Shields
 * Level 11.5 Spellcasting
 + Level 10.1 Conjurations
 - Level 2.7 Summonings
 - Level 0.8 Translocations
 + Level 6.8 Fire Magic
 - Level 3.0 Air Magic
 - Level 3.4 Poison Magic
 - Level 5.4 Evocations


You had 12 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         0%          1    None
b - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ####......   4%          6    #####..
c - Call Imp              Summ           ###.....     1%          2    None
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     1%          3    None
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ####....     1%          3    None
f - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       ####......   1%          5    ###....
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       2%          2    None
p - Apportation           Tloc           ##........   1%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (2/8) D:10       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:7 !   Orc:4 !


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your are under a permanent stasis effect.
You can dig through walls and to a lower floor.
Your four strong arms can wield two-handed weapons with a shield.
You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv).
You are partially covered in yellow scales (AC +2).
You are weak. (Str -2)
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.


Message History

The neqoxec gestures.
The neqoxec gestures.
The orc high priest prays to Beogh.
The orc hits you but does no damage.
The hellwing disappears in a puff of smoke!
An orc comes into view.
The orc high priest mumbles some strange prayers to Beogh against you.
Something smites you!
The orc wizard shouts! The orc shouts!
The crimson imp blinks!
The neqoxec gestures at you.
Something tries to feed on your intellect!
The neqoxec gestures at you.
Something tries to feed on your intellect!
Casting: Mephitic Cloud
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Mephitic Cloud
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line
The beam explodes into a vile cloud!
The stinking cloud engulfs the iron imp.
The stinking cloud engulfs the crimson imp.
The quasit bites you but does no damage.
The quasit barely misses you. You block the quasit's attack.
Unknown command.
The crimson imp disappears in a puff of smoke!
The iron imp disappears in a puff of smoke!
The quasit disappears in a puff of smoke!
The orc high priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you.
Something smites you!
The orange demon is engulfed in noxious fumes.
The orange demon appears confused.
Casting: Mephitic Cloud
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Mephitic Cloud
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line
The beam explodes into a vile cloud!
The orc high priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you.
Something smites you!
You see here a flail.
The sun demon hits you! You are engulfed in flames!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The orc high priest prays to Beogh.
There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here.
Items here: ( ///
a wand of cold {empty}; a wand of draining {empty}; a wand of lightning {empty}
4 tomahawks
The sun demon hits you!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are engulfed in flames!!
You die...

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You could see an orc high priest, a sun demon, a chaos spawn, an orc wizard and
an orc.

Vanquished Creatures
  Gastronok (Orc:1)
  Fannar (Orc:4)
  Nessos (Orc:4)
  4 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  Nergalle (Orc:4)
  A catoblepas (Lair:2)
  3 orc knights (Orc:4)
  4 hill giants (D:10)
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
  Joseph (D:7)
  A black mamba (Lair:1)
  3 spiny frogs (Lair:2)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:1)
  4 wandering mushrooms (D:9)
  3 trolls
  A two-headed ogre (Orc:4)
  A hill giant zombie (D:8)
  2 wyverns
  A deep elf mage (D:9)
  2 hippogriffs
  Eustachio (D:8)
  2 yaks (D:10)
  Grum (Orc:1)
  A neqoxec (Orc:4)
  A deep elf fighter (D:10)
  A hill giant skeleton (D:10)
  A warg (Orc:1)
  A hungry ghost (D:9)
  2 wolves (Orc:1)
  A soldier ant (D:9)
  2 porcupines (Lair:2)
  A water moccasin (D:8)
  A sky beast (D:5)
  7 ice beasts
  3 black bears
  35 orc warriors
  5 centaurs
  A manticore skeleton (D:10)
  11 ogres
  7 crocodiles
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  A big kobold (D:10)
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  8 giant frogs
  A water moccasin zombie (D:10)
  5 scorpions
  18 wights
  4 goliath beetles
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  5 jellies
  A centaur zombie (D:8)
  A crimson imp (D:9)
  47 orc priests
  23 orc wizards
  An iron imp (D:7)
  An elf zombie (D:10)
  6 hounds
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:10)
  5 iguanas
  8 worker ants
  2 ogre skeletons
  A mummy (D:9)
  Terence (D:2)
  A hound skeleton (D:5)
  8 gnolls
  13 adders
  19 green rats
  A giant mite (D:4)
  A shadow imp (D:8)
  3 worms
  An ufetubus (D:8)
  An adder skeleton (D:6)
  2 oozes
  209 orcs
  A bat zombie (D:5)
  8 giant cockroaches
  16 goblins
  19 hobgoblins
  7 jackals
  25 kobolds
  10 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  19 bats
  6 giant geckos
  8 giant newts
  2 orc zombies
  29 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:7)
  5 ballistomycetes
683 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An ice beast (D:7)
  A giant frog (D:8)
  3 scorpions
  2 oklob saplings (D:9)
  2 orc priests (D:4)
  A crimson imp (D:6)
  A hound (D:9)
  3 adders
  A worm (D:3)
  A giant gecko (D:3)
  10 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:5)
  A hobgoblin (D:1)
  A jackal (Sewer)
  A kobold (D:4)
  A bat (D:3)
  2 giant newts
  A goblin (D:4)
  A rat (D:8)
35 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  7 crimson imps
  A green rat (D:6)
  9 white imps
  4 shadow imps
  A ball python (D:6)
  2 giant spores
  2 fungi (D:10)
26 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 744 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Aule, the Formicid Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 4/4
   250 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
   257 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/7
   324 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
   327 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
   613 | D:1      | Identified a ring of invisibility (You found it on level 1 of the Dungeon)
   626 | D:1      | Reached skill level 2 in Dodging
   690 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 5/9
  1124 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1234 | D:1      | Identified 2 scrolls of identify
  1234 | D:1      | Identified a potion of brilliance
  1235 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of noise
  1236 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of immolation
  1237 | D:1      | Identified a scroll of teleportation
  2087 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 29/31 MP: 2/11
  2198 | D:2      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  2426 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  2453 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  2453 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
  2719 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of recharging
  2720 | D:2      | Identified 2 scrolls of magic mapping
  2721 | D:2      | Identified a scroll of fog
  2938 | D:2      | Noticed an ice beast
  2984 | D:2      | Killed an ice beast
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations
  2984 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
  2984 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/37 MP: 7/15
  3060 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  3683 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
  3809 | D:3      | Identified a ring of see invisible (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
  3996 | D:3      | Identified a scroll of remove curse
  4001 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  4125 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4307 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 30/43 MP: 9/17
  4592 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Shields
  4592 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Poison Magic
  4943 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
  5343 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/49 MP: 13/18
  5440 | D:4      | Identified a potion of flight
  5441 | D:4      | Identified a potion of might
  5442 | D:4      | Identified a potion of poison
  5443 | D:4      | Identified a potion of curing
  5453 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  5453 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Summonings
  5705 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  5714 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  5714 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Fighting
  5714 | D:4      | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations
  5999 | D:4      | Reached skill level 2 in Air Magic
  6118 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6322 | D:5      | Reached skill level 2 in Fire Magic
  6322 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 14/56 MP: 6/21
  6480 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  6597 | D:4      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  7028 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Poison Magic
  7348 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Fire Magic
  8238 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Shields
  8249 | D:5      | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations
  8571 | D:5      | Identified a potion of magic
  8581 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8601 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8797 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8821 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  8831 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Air Magic
  8839 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 62/62 MP: 4/23
  8938 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  9048 | Sewer    | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging
  9119 | D:6      | Identified a potion of agility
  9120 | D:6      | Identified a potion of mutation
  9121 | D:6      | Identified a potion of heal wounds
  9171 | D:6      | Identified an amulet of faith (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  9589 | D:6      | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
  9762 | D:6      | Reached skill level 4 in Shields
 10000 | D:5      | Identified a scroll of random uselessness
 10698 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting
 11035 | D:6      | Identified a scroll of amnesia
 11210 | D:7      | Reached skill level 4 in Fire Magic
 11391 | D:7      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 11412 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
 11464 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
 11464 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
 11657 | D:7      | Found Shroptul's Distillery.
 11662 | D:7      | Identified a ring of protection from magic (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 11668 | D:7      | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces
 11825 | D:7      | Identified a potion of restore abilities
 11840 | D:7      | Identified a scroll of enchant weapon
 12208 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 12361 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 71/71 MP: 8/25
 12626 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
 12732 | D:8      | Reached skill level 2 in Evocations
 12949 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 13034 | D:8      | Noticed Eustachio
 13233 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
 13233 | D:8      | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
 13609 | D:8      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 13616 | D:8      | Identified a book of Spatial Translocations
 14019 | D:8      | Killed Eustachio
 14218 | D:8      | Reached skill level 3 in Evocations
 14263 | D:8      | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations
 14320 | D:8      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 14321 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 14322 | D:8      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 14322 | D:8      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 14329 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
 14338 | D:8      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
 14342 | D:8      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 14350 | D:8      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 14477 | D:8      | Identified a potion of resistance
 14804 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 14873 | D:9      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 14883 | D:9      | Reached skill level 6 in Shields
 15862 | D:9      | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 15893 | D:9      | Acquired Vehumet's first power
 15893 | D:9      | Offered knowledge of Shock by Vehumet.
 15897 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 15898 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/80 MP: 6/28
 15899 | D:9      | Reached skill level 4 in Evocations
 16400 | D:9      | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
 16536 | D:9      | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
 16957 | D:9      | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations
 16988 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 17419 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 17674 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 17751 | D:10     | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
 17865 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 18065 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18072 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18134 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18144 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18289 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 18306 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18801 | D:10     | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations
 18887 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
 18995 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 19005 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 19146 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Searing Ray by Vehumet.
 19199 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 19530 | D:10     | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 19530 | D:10     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 89/89 MP: 19/31
 19902 | D:9      | Identified 2 potions of cure mutation
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in yellow scales (AC +2). [potion of mutation]
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation]
 19903 | D:9      | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [potion of mutation]
 19904 | D:9      | Lost mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of cure mutation]
 19904 | D:9      | Lost mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [potion of cure mutation]
 19925 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 20141 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet.
 20144 | Orc:1    | Noticed Grum
 20158 | Orc:1    | Killed Grum
 20434 | Orc:1    | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 20636 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 20636 | Orc:1    | Noticed Gastronok
 20650 | Orc:1    | Killed Gastronok
 20650 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Static Discharge by Vehumet.
 20650 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
 20650 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms
 20825 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 21703 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 2 in Polearms
 21720 | Orc:3    | Offered knowledge of Lightning Bolt by Vehumet.
 22047 | Orc:3    | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt
 22048 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 22048 | Orc:4    | Noticed Fannar
 22048 | Orc:4    | Noticed Nessos
 22485 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 22673 | Orc:4    | Killed Fannar
 22681 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 3 in Polearms
 22688 | Orc:4    | Killed Nessos
 22688 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
 22688 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations
 23038 | Orc:4    | Found Keiten's Distillery.
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of porridge for 18 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 54 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of curing for 36 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 54 gold pieces
 23054 | Orc:4    | Bought 2 potions of heal wounds for 108 gold pieces
 23456 | Orc:4    | Noticed Nergalle
 23555 | Orc:3    | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 23651 | Orc:3    | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 23715 | Orc:4    | Noticed a spectral orc warlord
 24101 | Orc:4    | Killed Nergalle
 24183 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 24477 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 24479 | Orc:4    | Noticed a sun demon
 24502 | Orc:4    | HP: 3/92 [sun demon[an orc high priest] (19)]
 25042 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 25042 | Orc:4    | Reached XP level 13. HP: 92/98 MP: 28/32
 25092 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 25100 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 25100 | Orc:4    | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [a neqoxec]
 25103 | Orc:4    | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [a neqoxec]
 25260 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 25712 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 6 in Fire Magic
 25952 | Lair:1   | Got a pair of crude gloves
 25958 | Lair:1   | Identified the +4 pair of gloves "Dosaddey" {rElec} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 26426 | Lair:2   | Identified a ring of poison resistance (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 26730 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting
 27556 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 27784 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 27787 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 7 in Shields
 27843 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 27843 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging
 27843 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 28625 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 28625 | Orc:4    | Offered knowledge of Spellforged Servitor by Vehumet.
 28626 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 29174 | Orc:4    | Mangled by a sun demon


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    11 |       |       |       |       ||    11
       Spear             |       |    81 |       |       |       ||    81
       Trident           |       |    50 |   254 |   990 |   390 ||  1684
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    93 |   120 |   317 |   373 |    16 ||   919
       Call Imp          |     3 |    20 |    38 |    25 |       ||    86
       Repel Missiles    |     1 |       |     4 |     5 |     1 ||    11
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |    16 |    38 |   186 |    57 ||   297
       Conjure Flame     |       |     1 |    50 |   125 |    60 ||   236
       Lightning Bolt    |       |       |       |    18 |       ||    18
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    17 ||    17
 Abil: Dig               |       |       |     2 |     2 |       ||     4
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |    12 |    16 |     3 ||    31
  Use: Scroll            |     4 |     4 |    11 |     3 |       ||    22
       Potion            |       |       |     4 |     8 |     1 ||    13
 Stab: Confused          |       |     1 |     4 |    52 |    14 ||    71
       Sleeping          |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     4 |    10 |    19 |    32 |    11 ||    76
       Beef jerky        |       |     1 |     3 |     1 |       ||     5
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |     3 |       ||     4
       Bread ration      |       |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     3 |     4 ||     7
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1

Vault maps used:
D:1:      moated_graveyard_arrival
D:2:      lemuel_blue_sif_altar, uniq_terence
D:3:      kennysheep_six_static_rooms
D:4:      lemuel_upstairs_altar, first_bread, uniq_blork_the_orc
D:5:      bh_walls_and_bars
D:6:      temple_statues, portal_sewer_entry_a,
          hangedman_abyss_or_decor_stagger, grunt_ministairs_11,
          cheibrodos_beetle_habitat
D:7:      basic_altar, serial_shops, shop, uniq_joseph
D:8:      grunt_temple_overflow_octagram, tso_oasis_becter, uniq_eustachio
D:9:      david_orc_5, hangedman_tree_tricks
D:10:     grunt_lair_entry_elf_guard_hut
Temple:   minmay_temple_curvy_8
Orc:1:    basic_altar, uniq_gastronok, uniq_grum
Orc:2:    mines1_david
Orc:3:    nicolae_orc_pool_cavern, lemuel_statue_altar
Orc:4:    serial_shops, nicolae_shop_trees, st_orc_pillars, uniq_fannar,
          uniq_nergalle, uniq_nessos
Lair:1:   grunt_forest_large_clearings
Lair:2:   beast_lair_carwin_8
Sewer:    sewer_the_crocodile

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Yes, a sun demon is extremely dangerous. I would probably try to maybe brilliance up and go for the priest if I saw him summon one, because you can't really walk away from a faster thing, especially not from one with such a powerful attack. Additionally, you could try to make a killhole next to the vault before encounter and try to bait the summon-y dudes into it.

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Jarlyk wrote:With your current setup, Lair should be pretty straightforward; you've got Mephitic Cloud for blink frogs/yaks and you've got Lightning Bolt, which can sometimes double-zap kill hydras with a single well-placed cast.

Thank you, but I think the kill list above shows my facility with the spells in that book. As I noted to Sar, I usually don't have issues in orc.

I really wouldn't say that crawl is insanely hard.

I didn't say that, either. I said that when the random nothingness manifests repeatedly, it makes it so. This kind of behavior should not be allowed to occur, IMO. It's bad enough having so many choices that can be fatal, and far worse that with plain bad luck even good choices are not sufficient for survival.

It takes a while to learn what tools you have at your disposal, but mostly it's a game about patience and careful play. I only think of it as hard because I 'lose' so often as a consequence of stupid mistakes. There's no reward for losing, but losing can still be fun. True, crawl is a game that can be 'won', but all paths return to the same screen in the end, which is just the beginning.

I know patience. I played my first species over 150 times sequentially before finally winning with it. And loot is supposed to be commensurate with difficulty. It's like a law of gaming, that's all I'm saying.

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Aule wrote:[...] I said that when the random nothingness manifests repeatedly, it makes it [insanely hard]. This kind of behavior should not be allowed to occur, IMO. [...]
It's [...] far worse that with plain bad luck even good choices are not sufficient for survival.
I disagree with that. The idea of roguelikes, in a nutshell, is replayability from permadeath + randomness. While design could intentionally prevent bad luck ("random nothingness"), that'd clamp one side of variance and cause several bad effects: (a) loss of randomness, (b) loss of replayability (more bad play that gets unpunished by character death, since such variance reduction would inevitably affect not *just* random nothingness), (c) even worse distinction between player levels.
As we say in the design statement, given our inability to meet all desiderata, we accept lost games. I guess any roguelike game will be lost if you roll badly throughout. There's nothing to be done about, we're not apologetic. The point is that different players will perform differently, given some (or a lot of) bad luck.

And loot is supposed to be commensurate with difficulty. It's like a law of gaming, that's all I'm saying.
I also disagree with that. Due to the random nature, we're fine with swings in both direction: you can stumble upon perfectly fine items just on the floor. Then again, we accept challenges without compensation, too -- e.g. from vaults or branch ends (for vaults, some care is necessary if they're purely optional).
A different way to look at it: if some monster/unique/vault/branch (end) underperforms, i.e. kills relatively few characters, then it might be pseudo-content and we're unhappy with it. In other words, non-trivial deaths are actually necessary to make sure the game is working properly.

In my (probably very private) opinion, Crawl is actually way too lenient in many places. However, given its baroque size, it does not seem very advisable to ramp up difficulty sharply. It's a slow process in any case.
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I've only had a few times where I felt like I was screwed over by rng and they were on D:1 (usually involving a super early Gnoll and no escape options), which I think is fine. If I have no choice but to die, at least it's a quick death.

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dpeg wrote:The idea of roguelikes, in a nutshell, is replayability from permadeath + randomness. While design could intentionally prevent bad luck ("random nothingness"), that'd clamp one side of variance and cause several bad effects: (a) loss of randomness, (b) loss of replayability (more bad play that gets unpunished by character death, since such variance reduction would inevitably affect not *just* random nothingness), (c) even worse distinction between player levels.
As we say in the design statement, given our inability to meet all desiderata, we accept lost games. I guess any roguelike game will be lost if you roll badly throughout. There's nothing to be done about, we're not apologetic. The point is that different players will perform differently, given some (or a lot of) bad luck.

I have not played all roguelikes by any stretch, but those I have played (and any other game, pretty much) have scaled treasure classes that provide a baseline expectation of majority level-appropriate loot. After playing hundreds of Crawl games, I don't see how the wildly random fluctuations of the monolithic model used here makes the game more replayable. To me, it makes it only more frustrating. Of what possible use is finding a Necronomicon on D:1?

Due to the random nature, we're fine with swings in both direction: you can stumble upon perfectly fine items just on the floor. Then again, we accept challenges without compensation, too -- e.g. from vaults or branch ends (for vaults, some care is necessary if they're purely optional).
A different way to look at it: if some monster/unique/vault/branch (end) underperforms, i.e. kills relatively few characters, then it might be pseudo-content and we're unhappy with it. In other words, non-trivial deaths are actually necessary to make sure the game is working properly.

In my (probably very private) opinion, Crawl is actually way too lenient in many places. However, given its baroque size, it does not seem very advisable to ramp up difficulty sharply. It's a slow process in any case.

Look, this is not a game design issue I'm talking about here so much as a simple balance one. Something places a monster. So that something could also place treasure accordingly. If the placed monster is red-text, then maybe that could increase the chance of better loot. Yes, they sometimes carry loot, and so say if it's gray-text, then that's all it has, but white gets a shot at something extra, yellow a better shot at something extra and even better, and red is guaranteed phat lewt. To me, that would be a motivation to engage in more dangerous fights. (I do it anyway for the challenge, but the no-rewards part is leaving me rather unsatisfied, and my desire to replay diminishes greatly.

I don't know what the answer is, but radical alteration of the design philosophy is not it, and not what I am suggesting. I'm only suggesting that consideration be given to the fun aspect of replayability. I've played thousands of games in other individual titles, and I still play those games, which are nowhere near as stringently sadistic as this game. Not even on the same planet. This is merely a genuine perspective from a real player. Take it FWIW.

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Aule wrote:Of what possible use is finding a Necronomicon on D:1?
A necronomicon cannot generate on D:1.

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But golden dragon armor can, not to say that it is anywhere near equivalent to a Necronomicon. But it's happened to me when playing a mummy.
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D:1 GDA is better than D:1 Necronomicon since it is extremely useful at least to a subset of characters, while the Necronomicon would be literally useless to anyone for a very long time.

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Aule wrote:To me, that would be a motivation to engage in more dangerous fights.


There are other reasons to engage in a dangerous fight besides just loot. XP is a big one, of course. Fighting something because otherwise it'll kill you first is another. So is killing it because it's between you and a rune or the Orb. But if none of those are compelling reasons to engage in a dangerous fight, I have to ask: why are you bothering?

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Aule wrote:The paraphrase is this: All work and no play will make crawl a dull game.

I... I think you dont like crawl. or your idea of work is very different from mine.
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Crawl is work?

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I think the difficulty of crawl is OK. If crawl were much more difficult then a lot of builds would become less viable. Optimal play is not necessary with a strong character, but becomes more important if you have a weaker character. If optimal play were required with a strong character, then weaker characters would be unwinnable, which would be bad since it would decrease variety of gameplay.

In other words, if you think crawl isn't hard enough, just play an OpTm^Sif (or ^Xom, if you're truly badass). If you think it's too hard, play a MiFi^Ash.
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While I agree that randomness is crucial for replayability value, it's no coincidence that I prefer the conjurer background over the other spellcasting backgrounds. The biggest reason for it is its starting book, which provides a straightforward gradual increase in offensive power in a timeframe that is usually short enough to stay well ahead of the difficulty curve. That's not the case with the others. But I guess that is by design.

I've had some wizards who had to muddle through the Lair without finding a single helpful book. It might be "doable", but it is a challenge. But I guess that is by design as well.

I've sometimes wished that if you roll a Fire Elementalist you'd have some guarantee of getting the Bolt of Fire some time during midgame before you are forced to tackle the first rune vaults, and maybe even Fire Storm somewhere along the way. I can see why a Conjurer or a Wizard wouldn't get such a guarantee and should do with whatever the dungeon gives, or doesn't give. With Vehumet, you're likely to be offered some kind of a bolt but by then an elementalist has likely invested heavily in a different school and training another one from scratch takes a big investment in skill points that would be better spent somewhere else, like Dodging or Fighting.

I'd change Vehumet so that it'd always offer the one level 6ish spell based on the starting background at some point along the way, and also include the big spell in her final list. I'd say the randomness is high enough even with that kind of an olive branch for the player.

Besides, the items one finds may affect the preferred spell set anyway. I had a fireblaster wannabe who found a piece of armour with rC+++ and was happy to jump on Vehumet's ice magic offerings. So it's not like this kind of change to eliminate some of the variance would make Crawl too unpredictable.

Anyway, I like Crawl enough as it is. You can have some effect on the variance by the choice of your character combination. And sometimes I roll a challenging combo just for the fun of it even though I know it'll probably end poorly. But personally I'd still like little changes like these to give some predictability.
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Here's an idea: why not give slight crosstraining from Fighting (all physical skills) and Spellcasting (all magical skills), something like 0.2 per level difference. So 15 Spellcasting and 3 Fire= +2.4.
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TeshiAlair wrote:Here's an idea: why not give slight crosstraining from Fighting (all physical skills) and Spellcasting (all magical skills), something like 0.2 per level difference. So 15 Spellcasting and 3 Fire= +2.4.

One point in Spellcasting is already worth 0.25 points in every school. The base formula for how skills affect spell power or success (before int, brilliance, wizardry, etc is applied) is ((Spellcasting / 2) + (2 * [average_spell_schools]). So increasing spellcasting by one point is equivalent to increasing the average of the spell schools by 0.25 points, which can be achieved by increasing each individual spell school by 0.25 points.
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Aule wrote:Something places a monster. So that something could also place treasure accordingly. If the placed monster is red-text, then maybe that could increase the chance of better loot. Yes, they sometimes carry loot, and so say if it's gray-text, then that's all it has, but white gets a shot at something extra, yellow a better shot at something extra and even better, and red is guaranteed phat lewt. To me, that would be a motivation to engage in more dangerous fights.

Umm, what, exactly, is wrong with this idea that everyone is ignoring so well? I see some talk about game difficulty since my considered reply to dpeg, but difficulty was never a complaint in the instant case (true story), and I see others enjoying their own asshattery, and some others also enjoying it, but not a peep about the actual content of my post.

And no, duvessa, your quote counts as asshattery, as always, because "What possible use is a Necronomicon on D:6?" has the same goddamned meaning in reference to the character file posted, which also found a Grand Grimoire on D:8. Also your previous irrelevant, presumptuous and arrogant ad hominem attack certainly counts as aggravated asshattery. And a counsellor thanked you for it! Such a classy place.

That's really what I love most about this game.

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Aule:
1) power creep. Crawl has lots of fights (too many of them!), most of them not hard, even if the game thinks they are. Your proposal adds many items.
2) reward for killing exists: it is xp (and here I mean skills rather than XL)
3) loot (i.e. potentially good items) in Crawl comes from vaults (or the floor)

You can change any of these, but it's a lot of work, and I don't really see the gain.

I do understand what you mean, though, and I've been suggesting that uniques always carry one special item. Don't get too excited: what I want is that Gastranok (always a great sight on a helmet-handicapped species because of **hats**) almost never carries a plain hat -- the slug mage should come with a glowing hat. I am fine if that'd be always just +1 whenever it is plain right now; my motivation is that a player knows a plain hat is mundane, but an enchanted hat could be anything between +1 and an ego item. At least for me, this would make me much more itchy to attack Gastranok earlier. (Similarly for other uniques.) There's a reason I restrict to uniques: these are rare and memorable; I definitely don't want to modify all of Crawl's loot geneation.

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Aule wrote:I didn't say that, either. I said that when the random nothingness manifests repeatedly, it makes it so.


if you're having trouble with random nothingness i think a few french guys wrote guides on how to deal with that

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ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:I've sometimes wished that if you roll a Fire Elementalist you'd have some guarantee of getting the Bolt of Fire some time during midgame before you are forced to tackle the first rune vaults, and maybe even Fire Storm somewhere along the way.

I'd change Vehumet so that it'd always offer the one level 6ish spell based on the starting background at some point along the way, and also include the big spell in her final list. I'd say the randomness is high enough even with that kind of an olive branch for the player.

Besides, the items one finds may affect the preferred spell set anyway. I had a fireblaster wannabe who found a piece of armour with rC+++ and was happy to jump on Vehumet's ice magic offerings. So it's not like this kind of change to eliminate some of the variance would make Crawl too unpredictable.

Spells are loot, and guaranteeing a end-game level spell based on background is like guaranteeing and end-game level weapon based on starting weapon. In both cases, if you pick gifting gods sooner or later you'll probably get something like what you want, and sometimes you'll just stumble over it, but generally there's going to be some tension between what you want and what you have available. That's good. It means you sometimes have to make tough choices: do you waste some of the XP you invested in long blades (or fire magic) to take advantage of that broad axe of elec (or bolt of cold or iron shot or refridgeration), or do you keep the extra XP and make do with what you've got for now?

Also, FWIW, rC+++ is nice for Refridgeration and maybe Freezing Cloud, but it's also nice for allowing you to wear rings of fire and get amazing spellpower on your fire spells.

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Aule wrote:Umm, what, exactly, is wrong with this idea that everyone is ignoring so well?

No one is obligated to respond to any one proposal, so it's not particularly reasonable to get salty when you don't get the feedback you want.

In this case, the proposal seemed to me to be an expression of a preference for a strikingly different loot design philosophy, one that resembles casino games like Diablo, in a CYC thread about being screwed by randomness. It struck me as venting rather than a serious proposal, so I didn't see any need to respond.

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Lasty wrote:
ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:I've sometimes wished that if you roll a Fire Elementalist you'd have some guarantee of getting the Bolt of Fire some time during midgame before you are forced to tackle the first rune vaults, and maybe even Fire Storm somewhere along the way.

I'd change Vehumet so that it'd always offer the one level 6ish spell based on the starting background at some point along the way, and also include the big spell in her final list. I'd say the randomness is high enough even with that kind of an olive branch for the player.

Besides, the items one finds may affect the preferred spell set anyway. I had a fireblaster wannabe who found a piece of armour with rC+++ and was happy to jump on Vehumet's ice magic offerings. So it's not like this kind of change to eliminate some of the variance would make Crawl too unpredictable.

Spells are loot, and guaranteeing a end-game level spell based on background is like guaranteeing and end-game level weapon based on starting weapon. In both cases, if you pick gifting gods sooner or later you'll probably get something like what you want, and sometimes you'll just stumble over it, but generally there's going to be some tension between what you want and what you have available. That's good. It means you sometimes have to make tough choices: do you waste some of the XP you invested in long blades (or fire magic) to take advantage of that broad axe of elec (or bolt of cold or iron shot or refridgeration), or do you keep the extra XP and make do with what you've got for now?

I can understand that design choice. But I think the difference between the 9th level spells and an end game weapon is the amount of skill points required to make it usable. By the time Vehumet offers you the last 3 it's hard to justify picking one outside you main spell school in a regular game. So it's just a missed opportunity. Also the 9th level spells are expensive enough, even if aligned, so many people skip those regardless. That's one argument for at least offering "the one" among the last three.

I can see why the 6th level one would still be random. The 6th level spells are usually always within reach whenever you stumble upon them.

Lasty wrote:Also, FWIW, rC+++ is nice for Refridgeration and maybe Freezing Cloud, but it's also nice for allowing you to wear rings of fire and get amazing spellpower on your fire spells.

True. With fire blasters my standard midgame gear seems to be rC robe and =fire as they are relatively common and it's quick to swap the resistance just by removing a ring or putting it back. The character I was talking about was offered Refridgreration and having rC+++ with it makes all the difference. It also allows you to self-target Freezing Cloud with little drawback in case you get surrounded.
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Post Monday, 5th January 2015, 22:51

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Lasty wrote:No one is obligated to respond to any one proposal, so it's not particularly reasonable to get salty when you don't get the feedback you want.

Excuse me, but I got salty with those who got salty, period. And the bandwagon took off from there, playing its looney tune.

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Post Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 00:33

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mikee wrote:thanks duvessa

thanks mikee

On another note, I do find the lack of a "tier 2" spellbook to a common problem when I play casters. I've gotten far enough (usually into lair) that I want some level 4-6 blasty spells, but don't yet have any to memorize. This is especially bad on wizards, as most elementalists get at least one reasonably powered mid-range spell.

I don't think the solution is any change to crawl, however, but to your playstyle. Wizard is a background that forces adaptation. I don't like this - so I play conjurors. Your starting book could get you through to level 20 with IMB + battlesphere alone. It's not an ideal spellset, but it'll last if you really need it to. Different backgrounds play differently, which is a good thing. My suggestion is to just stop playing wizards :)

While finding a decent weapon is a lot more reliable than that perfect spellbook, this is another reason I like unarmed combat. You start with your final weapon :)

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Post Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 00:54

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Instead of hoping you get some good spells as a wizard, you could also just start out as a hybrid and use the wizard book for support. That's how I did my OgWz.
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Post Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 13:44

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Aule wrote:
Lasty wrote:No one is obligated to respond to any one proposal, so it's not particularly reasonable to get salty when you don't get the feedback you want.

Excuse me, but I got salty with those who got salty, period. And the bandwagon took off from there, playing its looney tune.


Aule wrote:Umm, what, exactly, is wrong with this idea that everyone is ignoring so well? I see some talk about game difficulty since my considered reply to dpeg, but difficulty was never a complaint in the instant case (true story), and I see others enjoying their own asshattery, and some others also enjoying it, but not a peep about the actual content of my post.

Talk about asshattery aside, this sounds an awful lot like you're demanding that people start discussing your idea. That's what I'm referring to.

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Post Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:34

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Aule wrote:And no, duvessa, your quote counts as asshattery, as always, because "What possible use is a Necronomicon on D:6?" has the same goddamned meaning in reference to the character file posted, which also found a Grand Grimoire on D:8. Also your previous irrelevant, presumptuous and arrogant ad hominem attack certainly counts as aggravated asshattery. And a counsellor thanked you for it! Such a classy place.

That's really what I love most about this game.


The thing you sarcastically love most about this game is a voluntary online community related to it?

Also it wasn't particularly ad hominem, since your point was that good choices lead to victory, and duvessa's point was that your bad choices led to your death. Which would be discussing your point and not you. Mincing words, also not irrelevant.

Not that I'm one to talk- I make bad choices in Crawl and die all the time. But they were my choices, damn it!

e: he definitely could have been nicer but then I wouldn't have done a spit-take when I read it

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Post Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 13:20

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ZipZipskins wrote:The thing you sarcastically love most about this game is a voluntary online community related to it?

Being myself a voluntary part of that online community, I say, yes, the behavior of that community is something I care about, thanks. If toxicity is the desired mode of interaction for the community as a whole, then let it be made clear, but I don't believe it is. There are a number of people that represent the community well, and becomingly, and I have enjoyed their benefaction immensely, mostly expressing such appreciation privately to them. So you're not taking in the whole story, here.

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Post Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 13:35

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Lasty wrote:
Aule wrote:Umm, what, exactly, is wrong with this idea that everyone is ignoring so well? I see some talk about game difficulty since my considered reply to dpeg, but difficulty was never a complaint in the instant case (true story), and I see others enjoying their own asshattery, and some others also enjoying it, but not a peep about the actual content of my post.

Talk about asshattery aside, this sounds an awful lot like you're demanding that people start discussing your idea. That's what I'm referring to.

There is a reasonable expectation that the discussion prompted by my comments will pertain to the actual content of those comments, rather than being based on an erroneous interpretation of the comments. I know I'm speaking English, and I know I'm doing it well, so when the topic goes completely in a direction away from my comments, when those comments are the impetus for response, well, you can see how that may be frustrating, I am sure.

Lasty wrote:In this case, the proposal seemed to me to be an expression of a preference for a strikingly different loot design philosophy, one that resembles casino games like Diablo...

I've been shaking my head at the irony of this, and it deserves a reply. I played Diablo a lot, and Diablo II especially. I also frequent a casino locally. I'm going to tell you that Crawl leaves me feeling gutted like the casino does, and like Diablo never did. That's the whole point of my initial complaints about parsimony. The way the loot is structured is having the same result on my senses as a slot machine on a Native American reservation casino does, which is to say, I'm far more often left feeling robbed with no joy than otherwise.

You talk about replayability, but Diablo II is still played online by thousands every single day, and countless more in single-player, and it is nigh on fifteen years old, with only few and infrequent updates. I believe that is because it offers more choices, and more variation. You can play softcore or hardcore. You can play and win with any build. If you find things too easy, you can make it harder by playing ironman or naked, and doing it in hardcore. I'm certainly not saying to make Crawl like Diablo, but philosophically, when I walk away from a game I think it's better to retain a sense of enjoyment rather than an incensed frustration at plain and common bad luck. I don't think such notions should be treated as heresy, that's all.
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Post Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 14:00

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Aule wrote:You can play and win with any build. If you find things too easy, you can make it harder by playing ironman or naked, and doing it in hardcore.


That's Crawl to me.
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