making crawl more epic

[Sandman25]

Sar, and into
Yes, I know that having decent AC is good but we already have some players win Fe without transmutations and those felids don't even have EV 70 so I think it can be better than expected.

[Sar]

I wasn't saying it's unwinnable, it's just really unpleasant.

Well actually, I still haven't won a single octopode. Hm.

[and into]

Yeah, it is doable. As is the reverse (ridicu-huge AC and no EV). But on the other hand, I could also probably survive one swift punch to the sternum delivered by Randy Savage. Not going to go out of my way to invite it, though.

Aside from higher skill levels costing more, and aside from very large encumbrance armors (GDA and even CPA, though the latter is better of the two) only being flexible for your character at a level of strength that is usually unrealistic, there are enough special attacks that have weird interactions with AC and/or EV being thrown around in Vaults and Depths these days that I just want to get close to 20 in whichever of those two is lower. Not a magic number or anything, just the approximate boundary of my comfort zone (for a species that doesn't have enormous HP like Troll or Ogre). At the end of the day I play this game to have fun, and for me, that means building a character in the midgame that has a good shot at winning without having to worry about being two-shotted by *everything*. Incidentally I despise Op and Fe, even though the latter is not necessarily "bad" in the strict sense of the term.

[and into]

I wasn't saying it's unwinnable, it's just really unpleasant.

Well actually, I still haven't won a single octopode. Hm.

OpIE. You probably won't enjoy it, but you can win.

[Sandman25]

I wasn't saying it's unwinnable, it's just really unpleasant.

Well actually, I still haven't won a single octopode. Hm.

I found my Fe game description on the forum and read it again... I completely forgot how hard/crazy it was. But then again, it had AC 3 and EV 37. With EV 73 it could be different

[Sar]

Yeah, I know, but I decided not to play another Op until it becomes a Nem combo in the next tournament.

My last Op died in Zot because I felt that 60-70 HP is an okay amount for an endgame character to be next to a tentacled monstrosity and a couple of dracs. Well, it wasn't!

@Sandman25: it's been a while since my Fe games, but the FeCK^Lugonu one didn't have Statue Form and it was okay IIRC.

[twelwe]

what the hell this is about epicness not math

[Sandman25]

what the hell this is about epicness not math

Spoiler: show

[fisheye]

Acquirement as a level 9 triple school spell (Transloc/Transmut/Summoning). Every cast costs one experience level and 20k GP. The disappointment levels will surely be quite epic.

[duvessa]

what the hell this is about epicness not math

Spoiler: show

My god. This might be the worst one of these I've ever seen.