Orb of Cold

[Sandman25]

Why don't we have Orb of Cold?
Similar stats to OoF but uses Bolt of Cold and Freezing Cloud. It would make crawl more interesting as rF++ and no rC would not be as good as currently it is. Also IDA could be used more often.

[XuaXua]

Why don't we have Orb of Cold?
Similar stats to OoF but uses Bolt of Cold and Freezing Cloud. It would make crawl more interesting as rF++ and no rC would not be as good as currently it is. Also IDA could be used more often.

And it pro-mutates, starting with any that make you lose your armour.

[Sprucery]

I guess monster "symmetry" isn't something Crawl development aims at (although there are fire/ice version of dragons and giants).

[TeshiAlair]

This gives me an idea...

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13807

[phobetor]

I've never liked Orbs of fire. Having one of the game biggest late game threats be so heavily reliant on fire alone always seemed odd. Plus the flavor of them having malmute is off. And they look like orbs of destruction and ball lighting, the first time I encountered one I thought a draconian scorcher shot it at me. Rather than add another orb I'd love to see OoF replaced with greater orb guardians or something like that, with more diverse blasting spells and a better justification to have malmutate.

[Greyr]

I've never liked Orbs of fire. Having one of the game biggest late game threats be so heavily reliant on fire alone always seemed odd. Plus the flavor of them having malmute is off. And they look like orbs of destruction and ball lighting, the first time I encountered one I thought a draconian scorcher shot it at me. Rather than add another orb I'd love to see OoF replaced with greater orb guardians or something like that, with more diverse blasting spells and a better justification to have malmutate.

They used to be swords. Just swords.

"In very ancient, pre-Stone Soup versions of Crawl, these monsters were instead called "Swords", as can be seen in this ancient changelog, in a reference to the Chronicles of an Age of Darkness by Hugh Cook. This explains the rather nonsensical (from a thematic standpoint) inclusion of Malmutate in their spell set, since they were originally very different monsters."

Thanks wiki!

[Sprucery]

They were swords in Linley's Dungeon Crawl 3.20, when I first won Crawl.

Electric golems used to be robots, but I don't remember when.

[nicolae]

I guess monster "symmetry" isn't something Crawl development aims at (although there are fire/ice version of dragons and giants).

It's not.

I think one of the Sprints has a vault-defined orb of ice.

[Tedronai]

Feature Request!

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orb of negative energy (*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | non-living, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil
| Res: magic(immune), fire++, cold++, elec+++, poison+++, rot+++, neg+++, torm, napalm | Vul: holy | XP: 9612
| Sp: b.draining (3d36), s.torment, ghostly fireball (3d34), dispel undead (3d40) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal.

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orb of cold (*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil
| Res: magic(immune), fire, cold+++, elec+++, poison+++, rot+++, neg+++, torm, napalm | XP: 9612
| Sp: glaciate (10-198), b.cold (3d40) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal.

[damiac]

A meaningful cold damage threat in zot doesn't seem too crazy. Zot's got the other elements handled pretty well already I think. It doesn't have to be a copy of an existing monster though...

Orb of Ice Golem Toes:
Cold branded attack
casts bolt of cold, freezing cloud, and simulacrum
New ability, maltormentutilate, takes away half your mutations and replaces them with 1 bad one, with level determined by amount of mutations lost.

Or something not so silly as that could work too I guess, but it is Zot we're talking about here.

[XuaXua]

...

I prefer the Cursed Orb of Ice Golem Toes.

[PleasingFungus]

It's not.

I think one of the Sprints has a vault-defined orb of ice.

Yep!

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orb of ice (*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil, vault | Res: magic(immune), hellfire, fire+++, cold, elec+++, poison+++, rot+++, neg+++, torm, napalm | XP: 9612 | Sp: glaciate (10-198) | Sz: Tiny | Int: normal.

Mm. 10-198 damage, 60% irresistable (by rC).

Good times.

[damiac]

Why does that jerk get RF+++ and rNapalm?

At least orbs of fire only get RC++... or is it just RC+?

[Tedronai]

I think orbs of fire should get full cold resistance and fire storm.

[Greyr]

While we're at it, I request we transfer muh boi Chuck to the dungeon.

[xentronium]

Orb of Gold. Followers of Gozag can summon one at high piety.

[crate]

if fire and cold are going to be separate resistances it's probably best to make there be some actual difference between fire and cold

one way to do this (and I have no problems with this) is to have monsters like orbs of fire with no "corresponding" cold monster

(you might also note that extended actually has a lot of cold damage but almost no fire damage, for the opposite)

edit: btw white drac breath is actually pretty damaging since it ignores AC, and of course ancient liches can have bolt of cold, so there is already reason to want rC+ in zot for most characters

[duvessa]

white drac breath doesnt ignore AC anymore

[nicolae]

Why does that jerk get RF+++ and rNapalm?

Because it's not a "real" monster, it's an orb of fire redefined with vault syntax to have a new name and spell list, so it just inherits the base properties (like resists) of the monster it's based off of.

[PleasingFungus]

Because it's not a "real" monster, it's an orb of fire redefined with vault syntax to have a new name and spell list, so it just inherits the base properties (like resists) of the monster it's based off of.

yep. you'll notice it also only has rc+