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Reason: Ranged weapon users have a variety of unrandarts to choose from. However, the Throwing skill only has The Blowgun of the Assassin which is useful only for needles. This leaves tomahawks, javelins and large rocks all lacking any type of unrandart. This is somewhat inevitable since there are no launchers for these projectiles. Also, an unrandart large rock is just plain silly and befitting crawl.

Possible implementation: An unrandart large rock named "The Pet Rock." It posseses a version of the returning ego with a 100% return rate (hince the "pet") and never mulches. Damage and accuracy are buffed somewhat above that of normal large rocks.

Imo it shouldn't have all 3 of perfect returning, better accuracy and better damage all simultaneously otherwise it would make all other big rocks irrelevant.

My last ogre had 112 large rocks in her backpack. That's basically the same as having a perfect-return, never-mulch artefact large rock. It was really strong, probably too much so.

I think this idea would work better as a javelin (perhaps even Lehudib's Crystal Javelin). As a javelin any race could use it AFAIK, javelins are not too common outside of Shoals/god gifts, and non-Tr/Og are less likely to have already trained Throwing thus creating an incentive to do so and a tradeoff in the exp needed.

Kobolds and Spriggans notably cannot use javelins. They can use tomahawks, though. If I recall back when spears were throwable there was a spear unrand like you were discussing though.

unarmed combat doesn't have unrandarts either

Hmmmm, all true. The 100% return rate and no mulch is not any better than a big stack of standard large rocks...and a accuracy/damage boost would probably be OP.

In an effort to save this idea...what about nixing the returning ego and accuracy/damage boost and adding a portal projectile effect instead? So it would basically be one free cast of portal projectile?

Also, is Ogre/Troll only such a bad thing? I'm thinking of Lightning Scales and Black Knight's Barding which are both limited to only one species.

duvessa wrote:unarmed combat doesn't have unrandarts either

Exactly! So maybe some type of brass knuckles?

Rep Henry Clay wrote:Also, an unrandart large rock is just plain silly and befitting NetHack.

ftfy

brass knuckles would be awesome

partial wrote:brass knuckles would be awesome

Yes, but we really already have several globally applicable unrandart gloves with slaying bonuses, which would probably be the same thing.

Now, if we had gloves that gave unarmed a unique effect, that might be cool. Por ejemplo:

a chance to cast Confusing Touch on any given punch (saving having to cast it every time)
gloves of sticky flame
chance for knockout (sleep)
slicing (like having +1 claws without having the mutation)
gloves of shredding (always leaves chunks instead of a corpse)
gloves of the iron human - casts eVokable Searing Ray
exploding punch! - when killed by a punch from these +rF gloves (find your own other +rF!), target explodes as if it was immolated

Rep Henry Clay wrote:Reason: Ranged weapon users have a variety of unrandarts to choose from. However, the Throwing skill only has The Blowgun of the Assassin which is useful only for needles. This leaves tomahawks, javelins and large rocks all lacking any type of unrandart. This is somewhat inevitable since there are no launchers for these projectiles. Also, an unrandart large rock is just plain silly and befitting crawl.

Possible implementation: An unrandart large rock named "The Pet Rock." It posseses a version of the returning ego with a 100% return rate (hince the "pet") and never mulches. Damage and accuracy are buffed somewhat above that of normal large rocks.

Avalanche - Releases a trail of ice clouds until it comes to a stop. Very noisy.
Dung Ball - After being thrown, spawns 1-3 friendly boulder beetles.
The Penance Ball - Returning, vampiric, causes exhaustion and slow to player.
Temple Ball - Can bounce once against walls

The pet rock should turn into an earth elemental when thrown, then back into a rock when it times out.

Instead of large rock, make it a regular rock. Then the increased damage, accuracy and returningn would not be too much and everyone could use it.

I like those Un-armed enhancing gloves. There should be other wearables that ad auxiliary attacks. Like the unicor horn helmet (horn(s)), boots of the beast (talons), barbed naga barding (poison spike), can't think of anything that would give tentacles.

Personally, id like to see a piercing AND returning tomahawk(hits twice), like Xena's chakram or something.

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Proposal: Unrandart large rock named "The Pet Rock"

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