Other names for potion of cancellation

[Eyesburn]

Potion of cancellation >>> rename it to potion of dispel, it sounds better.

[jejorda2]

Perhaps "Potion of dispelling."

[johlstei]

Perhaps "Potion of dispelling."

*long bikeshed argument using nerdy words like "gerund" and "participle" which eventually results in suggestions for name changes to a lion's share of all potions and scrolls*

edit: it also uses the word "dispulsion"

[dck]

potion of fuckmagic
also extends berserk duration if chugged while zerk

[dck]

another example of modatorial abuse of power
it's the grim years all over again

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^ If a good rename suggestion emerges from this thread, that proposal can go into GDD no problem. CYC is mostly an asylum/prison but its also like Escape From LA. You can make it out (if you are Kurt Russel).

My vote is for !fuckmagic, fwiw.

[XuaXua]

Potion of Antimagic for consistency.

[damiac]

I prefer that any consumable that removes effects do so in a hidden and ultimately spoilery way, as the scroll of vulnerability used to do. Every single jerk playing crawl is going to know what these potions do, and that's unacceptable!

So I suggest renaming them to "Potions of NeverDrinkThis". The description would simply be "A potion made up of foul smelling liquids, that one should never, ever drink".

/cyc mode
Potions of dispelling make the most sense to me. Antimagic is already a thing, and that thing isn't like this thing.
If one wants to be all fancy, and maintain some of the old spoileriness, you could call them "Potions of quicksilver" because quicksilver dragons already do the same thing this potion does (Do they still even exist?)

[Lasty]

"Quicksilver" is another word for mercury. I would not recommend drinking the potion of quicksilver.

Cancellation seems perfectly clear to me: it cancels all the statuses on you. If it's confusing because there are statuses it doesn't cancel, I'd recommend that it be fixed by letting it cancel those statuses.

[dck]

In a more serious note I dislike that this potion can dispel an important thing like berserk slow even if it was misleading to have berserk slow be not-actual-slow sometimes.

[johlstei]

I joke but I genuinely don't like the -ing names for potions - I'd prefer dispulsion, and cancellation is better than that. Potion of Dispel Magic would be more similar to players of other rpgs, though I think antimagic is probably the best one suggested. (Perhaps it should also drain your mana? ~*interesting decisions*~)

[damiac]

In a more serious note I dislike that this potion can dispel an important thing like berserk slow even if it was misleading to have berserk slow be not-actual-slow sometimes.

Well it's a limited resource, and one that can be used pretty creatively, like what you've suggested (Does it also remove exh status, allowing 2 berserks in a row?)
It can also be used completely straightforwardly, like removing slow status
There are other fun uses too. In a recent game I attempted to ninja the swamp rune by quaffing a haste potion, then an invis potion. When the invis wore off, I quaffed another. When I started glowing, I drank cancellation, and then invis again. Soon after I died because I decided why ninja the rune when I can just kill the laernean hydra myself while invisible.


On the topic of the name, cancellation does a good job of communicating what it will do, but it just feels like a really bad name flavorwise.
I think "Potion of dispelling" or something similar achieves the same level of communication, while fitting a bit better with the theme.
Antimagic is a weapon brand which inflicts a status effect on enemies, and drains player MP. It also negatively effects the player wielding it. None of this has anything to do with what this potion does, nor does antimagic really do a great job of communicating that it will remove status effects(admittedly, it's still better than vulnerability)

[duvessa]

just dont put it in a bag of holding

[PleasingFungus]

In a more serious note I dislike that this potion can dispel an important thing like berserk slow even if it was misleading to have berserk slow be not-actual-slow sometimes.

Why?

Well it's a limited resource, and one that can be used pretty creatively, like what you've suggested (Does it also remove exh status, allowing 2 berserks in a row?)

It does not, no.

[Siegurt]

I like "Potion of dispel enchantments" or "Potion of dispel magic" a little better than "Potion of dispelling" I also don't like "Potion of cancellation" (Both "dispelling" and "cancellation" leave me wondering what it's dispelling or cancelling respectively)

Maybe "Potion of purge magic"? (You really really do *not* want to drink a "Potion of purging" though. ick.)

Also another serious suggestion "Potion of purification" although I like that a little better for curing's effects, actually.

[dck]

Because berserk is a quite well balanced ability that is interesting already; being unable of getting the most detrimental post-berserk ailment without extreme measures (god choice or getting a big chunk of contam) was a notable drawback (somewhat notable in the case of contam admittedly since contam tends to not matter) and having a consumable that does take it away cheapens the cost of getting in a bad post-berserk situation.

I would suggest making exh carry the nonmagical slow part intrinsically but then that'd also shift the berserk balance significantly by either reducing the time required between berserk uses but also making the time spent waiting for exh to go away more dangerous, as it would stand to reason it'd be somewhere between the duration of both current statuses. This wouldn't be necessarily bad or good change however.
But it'd be probably silly since other statuses like DDoor and Jump use exh timers too, although they do use them rather arbitrarily and I can't see a good reason they couldn't be on breath timer instead.

[Lasty]

Also another serious suggestion "Potion of purification" although I like that a little better for curing's effects, actually.

Purification sounds like it might cure poison, rot, and/or mutations.

[damiac]

Dck, I think you're overly concerned about a player getting maybe 4 or 5 'riskless' berserks with these potions. I mean, at worst it's like this potion can be cleverly used as a haste potion, in that using a haste potion post berserk cancels out the slow effect anyway. Is that really that bad? Throughout the course of the game, you'll probably be slowed more times than you can get rid of it with this potion, so if you use it to cancel post berserk slows, you can't use it on some other slow (or other bad effect).

The fact that it has so many interesting uses and synergies seems to me to be a very good thing. It means there are a lot of interesting decisions to make with this potion.

[dck]

Crawl already offers a remarkable amount of ways of getting out of trouble and trouble as carefully sought-after as careless berserking with no haste available should not have even more "clever" ways of getting out of it that in practice are only used because they are the cheapest way of fixing the player's latest fuck up.
Stupidly good for little to no price as "stasis post-berserk may be, it at least pretends to be a serious price you pay, you risk bad things. It's a very different message sent to the player compared to "drink potion to be fast again" and in a game like crawl pretenses of danger are often as good if not better than actual danger, since in both cases the player will not die by any hand other than his own and at least the first case causes an emotional response.

Furthermore, I don't see why it is desirable to have a consumable that takes care of such a large amounts of threats with no drawback because some of those will be superior to others and the careful player will want to conserve them until he's past certain parts where having !fuckmagic can be critical, which introduces a new member in the hierarchy of consumable usage order.

[XuaXua]

In with Potion of Stasis before the threadlock.

[Siegurt]

Crawl already offers a remarkable amount of ways of getting out of trouble and trouble as carefully sought-after as careless berserking with no haste available should not have even more "clever" ways of getting out of it that in practice are only used because they are the cheapest way of fixing the player's latest fuck up.
Stupidly good for little to no price as "stasis post-berserk may be, it at least pretends to be a serious price you pay, you risk bad things. It's a very different message sent to the player compared to "drink potion to be fast again" and in a game like crawl pretenses of danger are often as good if not better than actual danger, since in both cases the player will not die by any hand other than his own and at least the first case causes an emotional response.

Furthermore, I don't see why it is desirable to have a consumable that takes care of such a large amounts of threats with no drawback because some of those will be superior to others and the careful player will want to conserve them until he's past certain parts where having !fuckmagic can be critical, which introduces a new member in the hierarchy of consumable usage order.

Note that even if you made !fuckmagic not cancel post-serk slow as a special case and made no other changes, you could still cancel it with "stasis, then use !fuckmagic to get rid of the contamination (So the same net effect for more convoluted and spoilery interface)

[dck]

!fuckmagic removes the same amount of contam ?vuln used to and ?vuln wasn't enough to get you down from mid-yellow often times.
Plus the contam load you get from wearing "stasis is swingy on its own.

[Patashu]

Note that calling it potion of dispel/dispelling/etc is misleading since it now cancels the slow from post-berserk, even though the slow from post-berserk is flavoured as 'not a spell'

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Note that calling it potion of dispel/dispelling/etc is misleading since it now cancels the slow from post-berserk, even though the slow from post-berserk is flavoured as 'not a spell'

"Potion of normalization"...? Make it clear in description that mutations aren't affected? (If you get a mutation, that's part of your new "normal" state until it is removed.)

[Patashu]

Note that calling it potion of dispel/dispelling/etc is misleading since it now cancels the slow from post-berserk, even though the slow from post-berserk is flavoured as 'not a spell'

"Potion of normalization"...? Make it clear in description that mutations aren't affected? (If you get a mutation, that's part of your new "normal" state until it is removed.)

Worse. Gamers have an intuition for what 'cancellation' might involve - you 'cancel' magical effects, spells, etc. What does 'normalization' mean? This isn't vector calculus! I thought I was done with highschool math!! I don't want to be normal ;_;

[PleasingFungus]

Note that calling it potion of dispel/dispelling/etc is misleading since it now cancels the slow from post-berserk, even though the slow from post-berserk is flavoured as 'not a spell'

Much like scroll of vulnerability cancelled the slow from being hit with curare, which is not a spell.

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Worse. Gamers have an intuition for what 'cancellation' might involve -

... and no intuition about what being "normal" involves—yeah, that's a good point. (I kid, I kid )

[Siegurt]

Potion of ....stability?

[Patashu]

Guys, potion of cancellation does not need a new name. In fact, it already has the perfect name. Mods, please close this trash heap of a topic.......

[XuaXua]

You mean to cancel the thread?

[Patashu]

You mean to cancel the thread?

Careful! Your magical threads are unravelling.

(getit)

[Eyesburn]

Guys, potion of cancellation does not need a new name. In fact, it already has the perfect name. Mods, please close this trash heap of a topic.......

Just an note: I didnt make this topic and named it "Other names for potion of cancellation"

I just said (in some other thread) potion of cancellation >>> rename it to potion of dispel/dispelling/dispell magic or whatever,
because:

On the topic of the name, cancellation does a good job of communicating what it will do, but it just feels like a really bad name flavorwise.

[Hopeless]

"Fundamental Philtre of Arcane Revocation" My utterly unwieldy yet flavorful attempt. :p

[Roderic]

Potion of purge

[XuaXua]

Potion of purge

Rename porridge to "Potion of binge".

[Badjas]

Active charcoal emulsion
which is normally poison related
Potion of absorption could be more magical but is perhaps rather contrived.

Potion of (magical) grounding (grounds out effects)

Potion of nullification

Cleansing potion

Potion of Clear Water (or Clear Water potion)

Just throwing ideas at the wall.

[jejorda2]

Combine it with the potion of curing?

[magicpoints]

potion of fuckmagic
also extends berserk duration if chugged while zerk

Well excuse me, prince

[Tiktacy]

Potion of Drinking

[XuaXua]

Potion of Potion

[LJFCAT]

Lava Orc should totally be changed to Molten Orc; Lava Orc just sounds so... basic, so unimagin-

Oh, wait, wrong thread!