New "dual" base types for short blade randarts

[omegonthesane]

I'm well aware that dual-wielding weapons in general is going to be too hard to balance and possibly hard to code, so not proposing it.

However, it hit me earlier this week that Short Blades are the only weapon type where there's never a two-handed option - i.e. using a buckler is a no-brainer. (A shield or large shield not so much due to the greater skill investment required.) Obviously given the flavour of short blades it would be ridiculous for a two-handed one to exist - but if there is anything that it makes sense in flavour terms to dual-wield it's short blades.

So, the proposal is a base type of a "pair of blades" - e.g. pair of daggers, pair of cutlasses, pair of quick blades - which serves as a two-handed Short Blade and has the property of striking twice with every swing. As this would be fairly awkward to justify on normal items and to avoid too heavily encouraging the hoarding of Enchant Weapon 2 scrolls for a twin blade I'd restrict it to randarts and possibly a fixedart pair of some kind. This would make those few races/classes who are railroaded into Short Blades actually think twice about going buckler once they have one.

Thoughts?

[dck]

Well, it's true that you normally do want a shield of some kind when you go sbl. I think it's okay for that to be an intrinsic property of sbl though; as in, it's not a "no brainer" to choose using sbl themselves and the tradeoff compared to other weapons just happens to include always having a free hand even when wielding the best weapon in the weapon type.
You could say staves also have the "no brainer" of never caring about shields, but in reality that's just part of what defines the whole weapon type.

[roctavian]

But how to explain why you can't just use one, and throw away the --



Ah, I see.

[spudwalt]

swordchucks

Yes.

We could, at the very least, add them as an unrandart.

You could say staves also have the "no brainer" of never caring about shields, but in reality that's just part of what defines the whole weapon type.

I'll use a shield if I plan to use an enhancer staff. My one DgEE got pretty far with a shield and staff of earth.

[dck]

Enhancer staves aren't actually staves so they should stop pretending to be staves (or actually become staves).

[Igxfl]

Quickblades are actually dual blades, which is why they are so fast. They become slightly more common but now require two hands.

[KittenInMyCerealz]

Quickblades are actually dual blades, which is why they are so fast. They become slightly more common but now require two hands.

The whole point of quickblades is that you can use a shield with them.
If that option would be taken away they wouldn't be nearly as good.

[duvessa]

I thought the point of quick blades was theyre quick

[archaeo]

pretty sure the point of quick blades is the sharp end you stick in things.

[Sar]

(I actually wanted to make this joke but though it was too lame)

[damiac]

Enhancer staves aren't actually staves so they should stop pretending to be staves (or actually become staves).

What do you mean by this? Their attack speed is influenced by stave skill, right?

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Getting pretty Yiuffy.

Obviously OP does want some serious feedback (which dck and some others were good enough to provide, at least) but CYC tends to be a better place for proposals that are still in the process of forming. If any concrete proposals come out of this they can be posted to GDD. Thanks!

[dck]

OPPRESSION

Also enhancer staves would be approximately a billion times more fun and more better if their base type was quarterstaff instead of being this weird half-club thing.

[Hirsch I]

much more better, I agree.

[damiac]

OPPRESSION

Also enhancer staves would be approximately a billion times more fun and more better if their base type was quarterstaff instead of being this weird half-club thing.

Ahh, I see what you mean. But it seems like that would also make them significantly better weapons, and would only make staves even more of a no brainer than they are now.

[dck]

no it wouldn't and no they're not. it'd make them an actual option for a lot more of characters, less annoying and a lot more fun to use in general.

[cerebovssquire]

Getting pretty Yiuffy.

Obviously OP does want some serious feedback (which dck and some others were good enough to provide, at least) but CYC tends to be a better place for proposals that are still in the process of forming. If any concrete proposals come out of this they can be posted to GDD. Thanks!

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