I can't believe the RNG is such a stingy cheapskate!!!!


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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 14:39

I can't believe the RNG is such a stingy cheapskate!!!!

I got into a labyrinth and the only thing I get out of the deal is a STONE OF TREMORS??!!

No artifacts, no useless books and armor, no rods, no weapons, no rings, no NOTHING!!!

JUST A FREAKING STONE OF TREMORS?!

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 15:05

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you are probably missing some new jewellery and wands in your inventory, also rods

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 17:31

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 18:38

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twelwe wrote:my rng

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Why do you have an amulet quivered?
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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 19:02

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what do you think my DEFE should have quivered?
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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 19:29

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twelwe wrote:what do you think my DEFE should have quivered?

I dunno, If nothing else I usually have some darts or small rocks quivered to wake stuff up, so I can lure stuff away from packs and kill them. Sometimes I have more powerful throwing weapons quivered to kill stuff, particularly on elementalists for when i encounter things that are immune to my spells (at least until i pick up some pure conjuration or other-element conjurations)

I'd probably have nothing quivered over an artifact amulet, just in case I should launch it by mistake. (Unless it's something I didn't want, of course at that point I probably wouldn't carry it.)
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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 19:35

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I am not even sure why it is allowed to quiver non-missiles. I tend to throw a wand or meat ration in almost every game. Accidentally of course. Paying attention to messages, battlefield and HP/MP bar requires looking at 3 different areas of screen all the time :(

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 19:37

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The purpose of that is to quiver some cool artefact you want to show off on your victory screenshot.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 20:19

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awkward throwing has helped me multiple times in zot because of running out of stones and chucking ?ID and meat rations at guardians so this is useful and shouldn't be changed.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 20:22

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dck wrote:awkward throwing has helped me multiple times in zot because of running out of stones and chucking ?ID and meat rations at guardians so this is useful and shouldn't be changed.


How much damage does that meat ration?

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 20:23

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Sometimes I have to wonder if Sandman25 has ever actually played Crawl.

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duvessa wrote:Sometimes I have to wonder if Sandman25 has ever actually played Crawl.


Care to elaborate?

Edit. I guess I should have replied with "Crawl? What is it?". It would be funnier.
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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:13

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Amnesiac wrote:you are probably missing some new jewellery and wands in your inventory, also rods


No.

When I opened the exit vault door, I only got notified of a "you find a stone of tremors" or however the message for spotted items is worded. I couldn't believe it so I ctrl+x'ed. Nothing else. There were a couple blind spots that could have contained more loot, but they didn't. The minotaur wasn't carrying anything, either.

A. Single. Fucking. Stone. Of. Tremors.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:18

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ttyrec link? I somehow think you're missing something.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:20

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does anyone know where the ignore option is on this forum

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Make sure there are no doors nearby. I cannot read maps but some names are suspicious.

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All lab exits seem to have "generate_loot" tag so 8-19 items should be present:

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    int num_items = 8 + random2avg(12, 2);


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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:25

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wheals wrote:does anyone know where the ignore option is on this forum


user control panel -> friends and foes -> manage foes

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:27

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This reminds me of this issue:

https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8015

@Sandman25: chucking stuff at monsters quietly attracts their attention.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:38

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Sar wrote:@Sandman25: chucking stuff at monsters quietly attracts their attention.


Yes, I know. I remember I have already written in the forum that I consider it kind of cheating but I started doing it myself recently (with bolts/arrows on a guy who uses them as main weapon) :( Doing it with meat rations hopefully will attract devs attention so they will change something about it, it's hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:39

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Sar wrote:@Sandman25: chucking stuff at monsters quietly attracts their attention.


Yes, I know. I remember I have already written in the forum that I consider it kind of cheating but I started doing it myself recently :( Doing it with meat rations hopefully will attract devs attention so they will change something about it, it's hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.


if someone intentionally threw a meat ration at me irl i would go and beat them up

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:42

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Don't do that, it's a trap!

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:42

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cerebovssquire wrote:if someone intentionally threw a meat ration at me irl i would go and beat them up


Yes, one of benefits of stealth is that you can throw that meat ration first and the monster feels uncomfortable to shout for help ;)

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 21:47

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How the hell is attracting the attention of monsters like a normal person cheating.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:16

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Bring back non-unrandart gauntlets so you can throw them at enemies to get them to fight you.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:26

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dck wrote:How the hell is attracting the attention of monsters like a normal person cheating.


Ok, sorry, let's call it abusing bad AI.
Why do monsters shout when they see you but don't shout when you throw something or cast a spell at them? I could understand the silence if they still could not see you (it happens often with high stealth) but often they see you and still remain silent despite you have just attacked them. Why?

If you really want to have different behavior, it would make more sense to have the other way around:
1) you deal damage to monster. It hurts so the monster shouts (warning others, or just because of physical pain).
2) you fail stealth check. Monster notices something suspicious and goes out to investigate (and the monster is stupid to warn others because it is almost sure it will find nothing).
Basically that would change almost nothing, you could still retreat luring monster into explored territory, the only change is that now you should not waste your in-game and real time by throwing something and then picking it up.
Just add a command "Move your hands up and down to attract attention of all monsters in LoS" to "t" menu.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:35

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they still god damn shout

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:44

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I usually throw poisoned needles by clicking on them. Interestingly I haven't read about throwing stuff to attract monsters but the idea just came to me at some point. I guess that's an obvious thing to do. I'm not sure that they shout if you hit them, btw. Is there some calculated or fixed chance when they shout?..

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:53

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dck wrote:they still god damn shout


I have just checked it with stones and it looks like it is random. Sometimes they shout, sometimes don't. The same with spells. I believe they should always shout in order to avoid throwing things at them. When they see you just walking, they always shout, correct?

Edit. Yes, it looks like they always shout when you just fail stealth check.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:56

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Sandman25 wrote:When they see you just walking, they always shout, correct?

I think sometimes they don't or it's if they enter your los knowing where you are, not sure. But most of the time, they do.

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Post Thursday, 20th February 2014, 22:59

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I once threw a meat chunk at a giant spore, worked well.

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Amnesiac wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:When they see you just walking, they always shout, correct?

I think sometimes they don't or it's if they enter your los knowing where you are, not sure. But most of the time, they do.


Thank you. My point is that if thrown stone decreases chance for monster to shout, it is a bug/abuse/spoiler/cheat and should be fixed

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Sandman25 wrote:My point is that if thrown stone decreases chance for monster to shout, it is a bug/abuse/spoiler/cheat and should be fixed

Logically speaking you might be right, but it's a minor thing and there is no difference in how you lure a monster. The curent way just saves you some time that you would spend dividing monsters by going away with one monster in your LoS
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Moose wrote:ttyrec link? I somehow think you're missing something.


How do I made a ttyrec link?

How do I used a ttyrec link, for that matter? Been one of the great mysteries of Crawl for me for some time already.
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I read this thread logged out and wow sandman25 you just posted your way off my ignore list, really funny stuff, writing entire paragraphs about game mechanics you have no clue over are hillarious, keep it up
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nothing gets launched by mistake if you have a non throwing item quivered with inscriptions that prevent you from throwing or unquivering them. you'll have to excuse me for not equipping the amulet of xom's fair game

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twelwe,

How brave, write some personal insults again and immediately hide behind "You can do me nothing because you are in my "foes list".
Yes, it's better for you to stay unlogged if you can't stop yourself from creating another "Please read... Important..." thread.

Edit. I am putting you in my "foe list" so you can continue throwing s..t at me, I will not see it. I hope you will have much fun trying to break my already quite broken reputation.

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Sandman25 wrote:
cerebovssquire wrote:if someone intentionally threw a meat ration at me irl i would go and beat them up


Yes, one of benefits of stealth is that you can throw that meat ration first and the monster feels uncomfortable to shout for help ;)

Note that throwing anything (meat ration, dart, stone, large rock) with no launcher equipped makes no noise:

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static void _throw_noise(actor* act, const bolt &pbolt, const item_def &ammo)
{
    const item_def* launcher = act->weapon();

    if (launcher == NULL || launcher->base_type != OBJ_WEAPONS)
        return;

    if (is_launched(act, launcher, ammo) != LRET_LAUNCHED)
        return;

    // Throwing and blowguns are silent...
    int         level = 0;
    const char* msg   = NULL;

    switch (launcher->sub_type)
    {
    case WPN_BLOWGUN:
        return;

    case WPN_SLING:
        level = 1;
        msg   = "You hear a whirring sound.";
        break;
     case WPN_BOW:
        level = 5;
        msg   = "You hear a twanging sound.";
        break;
     case WPN_LONGBOW:
        level = 6;
        msg   = "You hear a loud twanging sound.";
        break;
     case WPN_CROSSBOW:
        level = 7;
        msg   = "You hear a thunk.";
        break;

    default:
        die("Invalid launcher '%s'",
                 launcher->name(DESC_PLAIN).c_str());
        return;
    }
    if (act->is_player() || you.can_see(act))
        msg = NULL;

    noisy(level, act->pos(), msg, act->mindex());
}
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Sandman25 wrote:twelwe,

How brave, write some personal insults again


what insults

and immediately hide behind "You can do me nothing because you are in my "foes list".


i took you off the ignore list, man you have zero reading comprehension
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user control panel -> friends and foes -> manage foes


Well, that'll be the last post of yours he reads...
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twelwe wrote:i took you off the ignore list, man you have zero reading comprehension
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Man, he can't read that.
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twelwe wrote:i took you off the ignore list, man you have zero reading comprehension
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Man, he can't read that.


I see his words in your quote though. Yes, my English is too far from perfect, it causes some issues more often than I'd like :( It's more fair to write "man you have zero reading comprehension in your 3rd language" though ;)
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I have encountered success with my secret agenda to bring about Crawl peace.

Muah ha ha.
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Post Friday, 21st February 2014, 04:41

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cant... cant you guys be nice to each other? :cry:
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Shut up, H1. I've had enough of your crap.

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Post Friday, 21st February 2014, 15:11

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Post Friday, 21st February 2014, 15:54

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I don't like where this thread is going. So it's now about something completely irrelevant and different.

I need an opinion, and I think you guys can provide it.

I am planning to run an rpg wherein the PCs and NPCs are world-class fighters (up to about Street Fighter competency, so some minor superpowers are common) competing in a tournament on a tropical island, where they can fight whomever they meet, and wager "stars" on it to try to earn enough to get access to the volcano-temple in the middle of the island and challenge the world-masters for the big prize.

Two questions. i need creative ideas:
1) How should I penalize the attacking of the island's natives? They don't fight, and instead provide all the basic services for the fighters, while treating them like visiting celebrities. They also have an anti-cheating squad called VAC who observe fights, and smack the hell out of cheaters. Should the offender get booted? Should he get beaten up? Lose stars?
2) how should I handle the ninja PC in regards to the need to bet on fights? He can sneak in and steal the stars or something, but he won't be able to legitimately bet and still have the element of surprise. He may also want to drop in on a fight in progress, but that won't work either if he's not part of the initial bet. should he be responsible for the amount of the bet by participating?

any ideas? Also, anybody want to participate? You two could fight it out in a game of dice and skill instead of this thread. Winner gets dignity and recovery.
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Post Friday, 21st February 2014, 17:09

Re: I can't believe the RNG is such a stingy cheapskate!!!!

IronJelly wrote:1) How should I penalize the attacking of the island's natives? They don't fight, and instead provide all the basic services for the fighters, while treating them like visiting celebrities. They also have an anti-cheating squad called VAC who observe fights, and smack the hell out of cheaters. Should the offender get booted? Should he get beaten up? Lose stars?


Have those who are attacking natives and servers treated as criminals. It is a criminal act. Normal competitors who go to a fighting competition don't attack non-fighters (unless they get drunk, belligerent, etc.). They get thrown in jail. If this is a video game, you can either choose to have them naturally invulnerable, or you can throw the attacker in jail. In Ultima I, if you stepped out of line in town, the super-powerful guards would hunt you down and whack you. For "jail", you can give them a time-out and consume in-game time with them waiting in a cell. Depends on whether you want auto-capture for criminal act, or have guards handle it. Going forward, continue to penalize the player with raised costs for purchasing from others as people are wary of him as a criminal.

2) how should I handle the ninja PC in regards to the need to bet on fights?


Ninja, please.
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