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The whole concept of flight in DCSS is pretty strange.

You would think you should be able to fly over a plant, but no. You can't even fly over a neutral spriggan or mouse in this game.

To make flight more realistic, we should be at least be able to fly over plants and mushrooms - maybe trees.

Yeah this concept may sound radical, but if you stop and think about it, it makes flight real, instead of hovering only a few inches off the ground (apparently).

supposedly, there is a floor and a roof in each level of the dungeon, so i always assumed the plantlife covered that space fully.

yeah the water is so deep that unless you are a merfolk you can't swim (we train all of these awesome skills but we can't learn to swim?)..

A level can have very deep water but no room to fly over things? Some serious logic issues here. Not to mention how plants and trees can thrive without sunlight, but that's a different topic...

KILLER BEES HALBERDS ETC

skyspire wrote:A level can have very deep water but no room to fly over things? Some serious logic issues here.

Deep water reaches all the way up to the ceiling, thats why you cant swim over it.

skyspire wrote:To make flight more realistic, we should be at least be able to fly over plants and mushrooms - maybe trees.

to make flight more realistic we should get rid of all the magic that lets you fly

only well-supported principles of physics for me, thanks

Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

You can't fly over trees/plants etc in case flight impromptu expires and you fall crotch first into an oak branch, a fate worse than drowning in lava.

duvessa wrote:
skyspire wrote:A level can have very deep water but no room to fly over things? Some serious logic issues here.
Deep water reaches all the way up to the ceiling, thats why you cant swim over it.

This doesn't explain why you can fly over deep water.

Because it reaches all the way up to the ceiling and you need air to fly through and breathe.

1010011010 wrote:You can't fly over trees/plants etc in case flight impromptu expires and you fall crotch first into an oak branch, a fate worse than drowning in lava.

Why nobody thanked this post is beyond me.

also, can we add ellipsis (...) after the subject of the post, please, like this maybe:

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because this looks rather funny:

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Grimm wrote:Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

So the trees are more like bonsai? Shrubs? Some sort of thick box hedge?

They're all in planters, which should tell you something.

Tells me the planters are pretty heavy if I can schlepp about multiple suits of plate armour but not move the planters.

They're bolted down, obviously.

If only there were fewer crossbows and pizzas lying around the dungeon and more adjustable wrenches.

New background proposal: landscape gardener.

starting choice of rake, hoe or spade

Flight should give an ability to fly over pants.

I don't think it would quite work out, but sometimes it seems like a good idea to me to 1)let all small or tiny enemies be able to co-occupy spaces and 2) let flying enemies co-ocupy spaces with things that are medium sized or smaller. Assuming plants are medium sized and trees are big or huge, you could then fly over plants unless you are an ogre or troll (or using dragon form). And you would care more what could fly, because flying things could get at you in corridors.

Mankeli wrote:Flight should give an ability to fly over pants.

Took me 10 hours to get this.

pratamawirya wrote:
Mankeli wrote:Flight should give an ability to fly over pants.

Took me 10 hours to get this.

Amazing considering I posted it 3,5 hours ago. You are probably playing (living?) TOME instead, that's not a feat extraordinairé for a paradox mage: http://te4.org/wiki/Paradox_Mage

What, you didn't post it at 9:30 AM? Crap...

Flying should give you the ability to fly over sharks.

Code:: Flying should give you the ability to fly over sharks.

Apparently the sharks, fish and jellyfish jump out of the water to attack you in mid-air, not allowing safe travel above. As you notice, being adjacent on shore does not prevent them eating you, as they will somehow wriggle onto the beach to attack adjacent tiles.

Seriously though, underwater creatures should not be able to attack you if you are on land, adjacent or otherwise.. it's just silly.

while in flight, activated ability could be :

a) fly over adjacent monster

and it can be the equivalent of jump boots or something. If the dungeon is high enough for jump boots, why is it not high enough to fly over a monster?

And why was this thread moved to Crazy Yiuf's Corner if it is trying to bring sanity, not insanity to the game?

skyspire wrote:underwater creatures should not be

Guess I can agree with that.

Siegurt wrote:Flying should give you the ability to jump over sharks.

ftfy

shrooming should give the ability to fly

shrooming should make you think you're flying

Grimm wrote:Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

Then how does it come that Titans and Giants can stand in the Dungeon?

aegis wrote:
Grimm wrote:Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

Then how does it come that Titans and Giants can stand in the Dungeon?

they crawl.

Hirsch I wrote:
aegis wrote:
Grimm wrote:Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

Then how does it come that Titans and Giants can stand in the Dungeon?

they crawl.

It isn't called dungeon crawl for nothing.

Hirsch I wrote:
aegis wrote:
Grimm wrote:Not a lot of people know this but the dungeon has dropped ceilings throughout (where do you think the HVAC ducting is?), so the actual room height is quite low. "Flight" is more of an exaggerated hover.

Then how does it come that Titans and Giants can stand in the Dungeon?

they crawl.

But isn't throwing a rock and moving both hands impossible while crawling?

after some generations of dungeon crawling, they adapted. now they use the force of their will.

I thought the just stuck the rock in their mouths and spit it at you.

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