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Post Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 17:49

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Sandman25 wrote:But it had zero impact on the game.

It made you waste a bunch of consumables, including a scroll of teleportation and a scroll of fear which could have saved you from the killer bees.
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Post Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 17:52

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Sprucery wrote:It made you waste a bunch of consumables, including a scroll of teleportation and a scroll of fear which could have saved you from the killer bees.


No, I almost always read-ID unknown scrolls anyway.
Also I actually had a scroll of teleportation when died (I felt lazy to read the scroll ;))

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Post Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 20:15

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I start a new game, find a +5 ring of slaying on D:1, and then promptly run into a teleport trap that sends me directly into the clouds of fire in one corner of the map.

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Post Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 09:45

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Sandman25 wrote:
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Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel slightly jumpy. Oops, that ring feels deathly cold.
q - a cursed ring of teleportation (left hand)
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read h - 3 scrolls labeled NODGHEL COLOJ {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled NODGHEL COLOJ {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
It is a scroll of identify.
Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
i - a potion of cancellation {!q}; q - 2 scrolls of identify {!r}
h - a cursed ring of teleportation (left hand)
Your horns disappear.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read p - a scroll labeled WINOGO BAJU {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled WINOGO BAJU {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
It is a scroll of recharging.
You aren't carrying any rechargeable items.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read o - a scroll labeled GEINIO EW ONWEAGI {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled GEINIO EW ONWEAGI {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
It is a scroll of enchant armour.
Enchant which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Your +0 robe glows green for a moment.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read l - a scroll labeled BIMUGEP ACAA {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled BIMUGEP ACAA {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
It is a scroll of enchant weapon.
You aren't carrying any weapons that can be enchanted.
Unknown command.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read f - a scroll labeled FAIJUA BAOXT {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled FAIJUA BAOXT {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
The air around you briefly surges with heat, but it dissipates.
It was a scroll of immolation {!r}.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read g - a scroll labeled CITRYPS NEERU {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled CITRYPS NEERU {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
The scroll dissolves into smoke. It was a scroll of fog {!r}.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read k - a scroll labeled GUCUJOH TUIFIN {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled GUCUJOH TUIFIN {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
You feel strangely unstable.
It was a scroll of teleportation {!r}.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read m - a scroll labeled YWU GAFOBEBRE {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled YWU GAFOBEBRE {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
You assume a fearsome visage. Nothing appears to happen.
It was a scroll of fear {!r}.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Really read n - a scroll labeled JUYPOYSEDGH {!r}?
As you read the scroll labeled JUYPOYSEDGH {!r}, it crumbles to dust.
You feel aware of your surroundings. You sensed 3 altars.
It was a scroll of magic mapping {!r}.


Iscribing every potion and scroll with !r, !q is very stupid. Not only primary function (to prevent accidental drinking of wrong valuable potion) of such an inscription is lost, but you also make yourself to press extra key each time you drink or read (or evoke).
I don't believe that you make deliberate pause between pressing 'q'<letter> and 'y' that would stop you from drinking wrong potion in case you do a mistake.
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Post Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 12:45

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Yermak wrote:Iscribing every potion and scroll with !r, !q is very stupid. Not only primary function (to prevent accidental drinking of wrong valuable potion) of such an inscription is lost, but you also make yourself to press extra key each time you drink or read (or evoke).
I don't believe that you make deliberate pause between pressing 'q'<letter> and 'y' that would stop you from drinking wrong potion in case you do a mistake.


Trust me, it is not stupid in my case, I misclick too often. Yes, I pause and read what I am trying to quaff/read, in almost every game I see "Wait, what haste, it was supposed to be a potion of heal wound". On bright side, I save much time by extensive use of item_slot, ability_slot and spell_slot.
Somehting like
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item_slot ^= ring of protection from fire:f
item_slot ^= ring of protection from cold:c
item_slot ^= ring of protection from magic:m
item_slot ^= resist corrosion:v

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Post Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 13:22

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Sandman25 wrote:Trust me, it is not stupid in my case, I misclick too often. Yes, I pause and read what I am trying to quaff/read, in almost every game I see "Wait, what haste, it was supposed to be a potion of heal wound". On bright side, I save much time by extensive use of item_slot, ability_slot and spell_slot.


Oh, mouse-powered inventory in offline tiles. I admit, it makes sense.
On the other side, saving time with ability_slot has no correlation with having {!q} inscriptions.
Btw, thanks for writing a patch for these slots, very useful thing. Maybe you could fix a minor bug with it? Whenever you identify an unknown stack of consumables by buying known item from a shop it doesn't swap to the required letter. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10514
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Post Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 13:25

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Yermak wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Trust me, it is not stupid in my case, I misclick too often. Yes, I pause and read what I am trying to quaff/read, in almost every game I see "Wait, what haste, it was supposed to be a potion of heal wound". On bright side, I save much time by extensive use of item_slot, ability_slot and spell_slot.


Oh, mouse-powered inventory in offline tiles. I admit, it makes sense.
On the other side, saving time with ability_slot has no correlation with having {!q} inscriptions.
Btw, thanks for writing a patch for these slots, very useful thing. Maybe you could fix a minor bug with it? Whenever you identify an unknown stack of consumables by buying known item from a shop it doesn't swap to the required letter. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10514


No, no, I don't use mouse. I should have written "mistype" instead of "misclick". Also it gives me one more chance to change my decision.
You should see me playing real-time games like tankionline.com, I press A, S, D, C, Shift and Windows button instead of Z and X all the time ;)

Let me check what I can do about that bug.

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Post Thursday, 18th August 2016, 00:49

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I checked latest code and expected item_slot to work with unidentified items from shop. Now I have just tested it in a game and it works indeed.

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Post Thursday, 18th August 2016, 04:02

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The kobold zaps a wand.
The bolt of lightning hits you!
You die...

             Killed from afar by a kobold (25 damage)
             ... with a wand of lightning
             ... on level 8 of the Dungeon.


Am I supposed to use my only scroll of blinking when I have a kobold in view who is not even adjacent to me? That was first zap of the wand and it is not fun, devs...

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Post Thursday, 18th August 2016, 12:49

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Yermak wrote:On the other side, saving time with ability_slot has no correlation with having {!q} inscriptions.


It has. I have many scrolls/potions automatically assigned to some letters so I blindly press r<letter> or q<letter> instead of looking at my inventory first. But later game with full inventory it is possible that some other scroll/potion is in that letter (because I ran out of "assigned" scrolls/potions and picked up some other scroll/potion which was assigned to that "free" letter) so having that confirmation is very useful. And no, I don't like to use digits with "@" inscriptions

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Post Friday, 19th August 2016, 00:31

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I don't love when I "play" a wizard mode game where I delete all monsters after entering a new level and gather consumables (trying to fix a bug) and find pearl dragon hide on D8.

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Post Friday, 19th August 2016, 22:39

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Attempt to stab minotaur.
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The minotaur bellows!
You hit the minotaur but do no damage. Space bends around the minotaur.
You grab the minotaur.
The minotaur is lightly wounded.
You constrict the minotaur, but do no damage.
The minotaur hits you with a double sword of freezing!!!
Ouch! That really hurt!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The minotaur freezes you!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The minotaur barely misses you.
Huge Dmg: -96%(-58hp) hp: 4%(2hp)

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Post Saturday, 20th August 2016, 01:51

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This start... I really don't think there's a way out of this, outside of incredible luck.

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Post Saturday, 20th August 2016, 02:00

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ximxim wrote:This start... I really don't think there's a way out of this, outside of incredible luck.

Enchanter, I presume? Back away out to the corridor of trees and try to take them on one at a time. Keep using Corona; that can be really handy to score hits that early in the game.
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Post Saturday, 20th August 2016, 05:55

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Queen Cassie wrote:
ximxim wrote:This start... I really don't think there's a way out of this, outside of incredible luck.

Enchanter, I presume? Back away out to the corridor of trees and try to take them on one at a time. Keep using Corona; that can be really handy to score hits that early in the game.


Yeah, that's what I tried, managed to kill the kobold before going down. Maybe if I hadn't wasted a couple of turns trying to get corona to stick to the kobold and instead ran straight for the other corridor... still slim chance.

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Post Saturday, 20th August 2016, 07:13

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ximxim wrote:
Yeah, that's what I tried, managed to kill the kobold before going down. Maybe if I hadn't wasted a couple of turns trying to get corona to stick to the kobold and instead ran straight for the other corridor... still slim chance.

Yup. Trick with early game Enchanter(and really every other character) is, the INSTANT you run into a crowd like that your first thing to do should be to at least get yourself into a corridor, and put yourself at minimum chance for harm. If you can escape entirely, of course, you should totally go for it, but yup, you made a mistake of trying to use corona with two enemies on you.

Lesson learned, at least, I presume.
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Post Sunday, 21st August 2016, 05:36

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If you're not a naga and you're not wielding an axe you should absolutely always retreat to a 1-wide corridor before fighting groups of enemies.

If you are a naga or you are wielding an axe (or both) you should still probably retreat to a corridor.

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Post Sunday, 21st August 2016, 07:41

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Unless you're playing Chei Naga
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Post Sunday, 21st August 2016, 13:51

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I don't love it when I enter a new Spider level and find too many monsters.
I leave immediately, use other stairs to enter and almost die.
I mean after using those stairs I see my character berserk with staff of conjuration while wearing -Tele ring and no scrolls of blinking (only one generated and it was use-IDed).
I retreat upstairs and see my character slowed and confused adjacent to 4 spiders. I survived due to potion of invisibility and being a hybrid who used potion of haste, Fireball and UC 15+ with good defenses.
What I learned is that I should remove staff of energy/conjuration when entering new level as Tm hybrid, not convenient but safe, as other "optimal play tricks" :(

Edit. That's how nasty those stairs were placed.

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Post Tuesday, 23rd August 2016, 18:27

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Plate armour on D:1. Last game: Formicid Fighter. Current game: Deep Elf Wizard.

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Post Thursday, 25th August 2016, 09:34

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Duplicated randarts. I assume this intentional? And that they are coded to give only one additional property, like Fire, Dex+3? Kinda sucks when you get two very mediocre ones instead of a chance at something good.

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 21:04

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 You reach down and open the door.
 Sonja, the Graceful Assassin comes into view. She is wielding a dagger of
 distortion.
 Sonja shouts!
 Sonja gestures wildly while chanting.
 Sonja blinks! Sonja hits you but does no damage.
 You are cast into the Abyss!
 To return, you must find a gate leading back.
 Killing monsters will force the Abyss to allow you passage.
 This branch contains the abyssal rune of Zot.
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lesson learned: don't open doors on floors where sonja can exist

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Post Saturday, 27th August 2016, 22:02

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Sandman25 wrote:Asterion blocks your attack.
Asterion is almost dead.
[...]
You kill Asterion!

Asterion is a great target for: vulnerability + paralysis/enslavement (or confuse/polymorph at a push). A fair fight against anything with a lot of health and a shield is a pain.
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Then I'll call Mennas Asterion on holy steroids...
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 01:37

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I didn't know Xom gets to pick where the "safe place" is.

edit: Xom teleported me there while I was moving by pressing a key repeatedly, so I wasted several turns before realizing what happened, and Xom also confused me when he teleported me so I couldn't blink, and I died drinking heal wounds. That's not the problem; I had 2 extra lives and I did get away safely. The problem is the respawn location versus what the manual says. There were certainly safer places; most of the level was clear.
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Post Sunday, 28th August 2016, 01:46

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How did you get surrounded by yaks? You're faster than them. The mamba is really dangerous, though.

Anyway, not sure why it says "a safe place", as far as I know it's just random.

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Iirc it makes a couple attempts to pick a spot randomly with no critters in los, then defaults to a plain old regular teleport, i could be misremembering.
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You hear the roar of battle.
The portal is a mimic!
The portal mimic snickers and vanishes in a puff of smoke!


T_T

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You climb downwards.
 A giant frog, a vampire mosquito, a centaur warrior, 16 humans, Urug and Rupert
 come into view.
 Rupert is wielding a triple sword of holy wrath. Urug is wielding an
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Post Sunday, 4th September 2016, 15:48

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So I hear sting is supposed to be a good early game spell?

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(edit: Only took 15 casts to do any damage, seems legit.)

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Post Saturday, 10th September 2016, 17:11

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... when you are trying to find Chei altar as TeCj and first identified potion is haste, second one is berserk and then you find wand of hasting on D4. Sorry, Chei, not this time.
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It was a potion of beneficial mutation.
 You feel genetically stable.
_You feel fantastic!
 It was a potion of cure mutation. It has a very clean taste.
_You feel genetically unstable.


On a dupz character as well, I was so stoked.

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Dupz? Do you mean duhz?
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dupz is dungeon depths pan zot?
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jwoodward48ss wrote:Dupz? Do you mean duhz?


arandomperson12 wrote:dupz is dungeon depths pan zot?


Yes it is.

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Oh, that's painfully obvious.

And the challenge seems painfully deadly.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 06:50

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i dont love it when i get on a bus and every single man on the bus is spreading their legs like it's a porno shoot and i have to sit between two dudes that are constantly touching me with their knees

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Men usually tend to spread their legs while sitting, this is normal.

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I tend to cross mine. Not sure how much of a man I count as, though.
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jwoodward48ss wrote:I tend to cross mine. Not sure how much of a man I count as, though.

Sitting now, have ankles crossed, am a man, that's 2 of 2, 100% of our sample set says men cross legs while sitting, ergo, sitting without your legs crossed is unmanly! ;P
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 16:58

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Males instinctively try to look bigger, i.e. take more space. This is the way to establish dominance over other males or impress females. When exposed to danger or frightened, men will instinctively raise their arms, thus making themselves appear bigger, while women tend to expose their back.
Same with spreading legs - it makes you take more space. The more space you take, the more alpha you are. This is also true for basically any animal, not just human.

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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:07

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Yes, but I am geeky, and geekiness is the manliest and best thing ever. No josh.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:16

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BabyRage wrote:Males instinctively try to look bigger, i.e. take more space. This is the way to establish dominance over other males or impress females. When exposed to danger or frightened, men will instinctively raise their arms, thus making themselves appear bigger, while women tend to expose their back.
Same with spreading legs - it makes you take more space. The more space you take, the more alpha you are. This is also true for basically any animal, not just human.
no, it isn't. "alpha" socializing doesn't even actually exist in wolves(the studies that that form of behavior was observed in were of groups of wolves removed from their natural habitat and placed in an environment with wolves they did not know, they do not actually act like that in a natural circumstance because wolves are highly dependent on family dynamics(because a pack is a family). that sort of constant jostling/fighting for social position thing only happens when they've been captured and taken away from their family and placed with a bunch of strangers, and does not represent any sort of situation they would typically be in without human interference. the scientific community has known this for years, the "alpha wolf" model of wolf socialization is super goddamn outdated and even in the fucking 70s one of the most significant proponents of the idea, Dr. David L. Mech, was working to debunk it. read this and then get this biotruths shit outta here.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:18

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Crossing legs is bad for health.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:20

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I mean goddamn "basically any animal", what are you talking about, insects are the largest non-microscopic part of kingdom Animalia and it is significantly more common amongst insects for the females to be larger than the males.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:22

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:Crossing legs is bad for health.
this is also a myth.

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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:29

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I should've said basically any mammal.
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:40

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You're wrong either way, though.

Like this is literally "the scientific community has known this is bullshit for around half a century" tier stuff, alpha male shit is the most common of garbage biological pseudoscience there is. You've been had.

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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:41

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Shard1697 wrote:this is also a myth.


I am not sure. Personally I cannot sit long time with crossed legs, I lose blood in them and cannot stand up after that. Not even long time, 1-2 minutes is enough to feel unpleasant.

Internet is full of contradictory articles, not sure where to seek the truth.
For example
U.S. National Library of Medicine stated, “The perennial nerve is a branch of the sciatic nerve, which supplies movement and sensation to the lower leg, foot and toes. Common causes of damage to the perennial nerve include crossing the legs regularly.”

http://www.zeppfeed.com/story/194/cross ... -and-myths
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:43

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Shard1697 wrote:You're wrong either way, though.

Like this is literally "the scientific community has known this is bullshit for around half a century" tier stuff, alpha male shit is the most common of garbage biological pseudoscience there is. You've been had.


Are you serious? I see the alpha male signs almost every day
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Post Wednesday, 14th September 2016, 17:53

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Yes, I am dead serious. Anyone who studies animal behavior will tell you that it is a joke of a theory-it's very old(late 40s!), debunked science based on extremely flawed methodology(heavily based on the behavior of captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals, an error reflecting the once prevailing view that wild pack formation occurred in winter among independent wolves).

To be clear, dominance hierarchies do exist, but they vary wildly from animal to animal and the "alpha male" model does not accurately model even the single species it was originally made to model, much less all mammals(and especially not humans).This basically comes down to "don't cross your legs for long enough to make them fall asleep", but that's symptomatic of how doing anything that cuts off blood flow for long enough to make body parts fall asleep is unhealthy. Just don't do it for that long/don't apply that much pressure.
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