The Tavern

xentronium wrote:I just cleared out the vestibule of hell by stairdancing, and after I was done I realized that I hadn't been wearing my armour the whole time...

celem wrote:Slogged my way through to midway through the Lair somewhere as a follower of Ash. D done to 11. Noted my piety is obnoxiously low.

No rings, no amulets, no cloaks, no boots, no gloves, no helmets/hats. Absolutely none whatsoever have been spawned.

Curse you RNG!

cerebovssquire wrote:There's a far stretch between summons being a joke skill compared to .12 summons and it being an actual joke skill. And yes, permanent summons are problematic. Twisted res in particular was ridiculously good in the days where you could, for a minimal investment (say 10 necromancy), have dozens of large abominations following you everywhere. It was mostly balanced by the fact that few people bothered with it. Even the permanent summons that don't follow you (animate skeleton/dead) have an exceptional exp investment/strength ratio.
Anyway, yred is still good if you like summons - though there's a cap on how many servitors/bone dragons you get now, so he's also not .12 good anymore.

Sandman25 wrote:

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You are on level 12 of the Dungeon.
... ghost (experienced High Elf Skald) comes into view

Let's check its morgue.

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Health: 0/105      AC: 30    Str: 14    XL:     10   Next: 47%
@: tree-form

c - the amulet of Utsiesav (around neck) {rN++ Regen+ Str-2 SInv}.

It is an ancient artefact.

It affects your strength (-2).
It greatly protects you from negative energy.
It enhances your eyesight.
It increases your rate of regeneration.

You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon.

Sandman25 wrote:

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2 matches : travel [toggle: !], show stacks [-], by dist [/], show useless [=]
 a - [D:5] a wand of hasting
 b - [D:3] a wand of hasting {zapped: 1} {!d}

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  2635 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  2649 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative

5200 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative
and on turn 5930: J - a wand of hasting {!d}

Siegurt wrote:Really RNG, D:2 fire giant?

duvessa wrote:mon-place.cc:

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// Scale monster generation parameter with time spent on level. Note:
// (target_value - base_value) * dropoff_ramp_turns must be < INT_MAX!
static int _scale_spawn_parameter(int base_value,
                                  int target_value,
                                  int final_value,
                                  int dropoff_start_turns = 3000,
                                  int dropoff_ramp_turns  = 12000)
{
    if (!_is_spawn_scaled_area(level_id::current()))
        return base_value;

    const int turns_on_level = env.turns_on_level;
    return turns_on_level <= dropoff_start_turns ? base_value :
           turns_on_level > dropoff_start_turns + dropoff_ramp_turns ?
           final_value :

           // Actual scaling, strictly linear at the moment:
           (base_value +
            (target_value - base_value)
            * (turns_on_level - dropoff_start_turns)
            / dropoff_ramp_turns);
}

static void _apply_ood(level_id &place)
{
    // OODs do not apply to any portal vaults, any 1-level branches, Zot and
    // hells.  What with newnewabyss?
    if (!is_connected_branch(place)
        || place.branch == BRANCH_ZOT
        || is_hell_subbranch(place.branch)
        || brdepth[place.branch] <= 1)
    {
        return;
    }

    // The OOD fuzz roll is not applied at level generation time on
    // D:1, and is applied slightly less often (0.75*0.14) on D:2. All
    // other levels have a straight 14% chance of moderate OOD fuzz
    // for each monster at level generation, and the chances of
    // moderate OODs go up to 100% after a ramp-up period.

    if (place.branch == BRANCH_DUNGEON
        && (place.depth == 1 && env.turns_on_level < 701
         || place.depth == 2 && (env.turns_on_level < 584 || one_chance_in(4))))
    {
        return;
    }

#ifdef DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS
    level_id old_place = place;
#endif

    if (x_chance_in_y(_scale_spawn_parameter(140, 1000, 1000, 3000, 4800),
                      1000))
    {
        const int fuzzspan = 5;
        const int fuzz = max(0, random_range(-fuzzspan, fuzzspan, 2));

        // Quite bizarre logic: why should we fail in >50% cases here?
        if (fuzz)
        {
            place.depth += fuzz;
            dprf(DIAG_MONPLACE, "Monster level fuzz: %d (old: %s, new: %s)",
                 fuzz, old_place.describe().c_str(), place.describe().c_str());
        }
    }

    // On D:13 and deeper, and for those who tarry, something extreme:
    if (env.turns_on_level > 1400 - place.absdepth() * 117
        && x_chance_in_y(_scale_spawn_parameter(2, 10000, 10000, 3000, 9000),
                         10000))
    {
        // this maxes depth most of the time
        place.depth += random2avg(27, 2);
        dprf(DIAG_MONPLACE, "Super OOD roll: Old: %s, New: %s",
             old_place.describe().c_str(), place.describe().c_str());
    }
}

In summary: OOD spawns on D:1 begin after 701 turns spent there. OOD spawns on all other levels that have them begin right away, however, on D:2 the chance is reduced by 25% if you have spent fewer than 584 turns there. If you have spent more than 1400-depth*117 turns, you start getting "super OOD" spawns, so D:2 fire giant is very normal if you spent many turns there (by the looks of 3889, you did). The chance of all OOD spawns also increases with time spent on the level in general and also has dumb breakpoints.