Questioning Changes

[Wahaha]

Teleportitis is not that bad and who cares if a mutation is slightly more dangerous, how often do you get teleportitis anyway.

[duvessa]

Well, this thread is something, no one's looking great which is a bit unfortunate as it does seem like this change could use some introspection (as far as I can tell the only people even mentioned in this thread who have experienced it first-hand are MarvinPA and Aule).

i am pretty sure that some of the people mentioned in this thread literally have public records of them experiencing it first-hand

[Arrhythmia]

Well, this thread is something, no one's looking great which is a bit unfortunate as it does seem like this change could use some introspection (as far as I can tell the only people even mentioned in this thread who have experienced it first-hand are MarvinPA and Aule).

i am pretty sure that some of the people mentioned in this thread literally have public records of them experiencing it first-hand

how dare you record snipe

[yesno]

i'm just gonna go play dark souls

[nago]

But what is this topic about?

[Sar]

I don't like removal of the mutation. It was main reason to avoid mutation roulette. Now I will mutate myself in almost every game. Seriously, what mutation can kill my DEFE of Vehumet or anything of Ash?

What mutation can really help your DEFE of Vehumet or anything of Ash? There are plenty of muts that can make your experience worse. Deterioration (no idea how it works now that you heal statloss by killing dudes, though), placid magic, that one that reduces the amount of HP you get from items, blurry vision. What benefits do you hope for? AC from scales? But you might get twisted body instead. More HP? You might get less HP. Is it worth it? Maybe, I don't know. Personally I just wouldn't bother.

Deformed body places you at no immediate and random risk of potentially harsh consequences.

neither does teleportitis

Eh, let's say you've just finished a fight and you are kinda low on HP and the stairs are not too close. In this situation teleportitis can place you next to some scary unique and that can be dangerous. Well, I guess you can also never fight far away from stairs, but that sounds kinda tedious.

[Sandman25]

What mutation can really help your DEFE of Vehumet or anything of Ash? There are plenty of muts that can make your experience worse. Deterioration (no idea how it works now that you heal statloss by killing dudes, though), placid magic, that one that reduces the amount of HP you get from items, blurry vision. What benefits do you hope for? AC from scales? But you might get twisted body instead. More HP? You might get less HP. Is it worth it? Maybe, I don't know. Personally I just wouldn't bother.

Mostly rPois and scales (I would mutate myself before first rune when most my characters have problems). There are much more good mutations than bad mutations so I believe that random mutation is more likely to give you a good one and as I wrote above it was teleportitis which was stopping me.

[le_nerd]

I have had teleportitis a lot and actually died from it in vaults, but that was from bad play (tabbing after the teleport). So yeah, the only change it makes in my gameplay is avoiding elf 2/3 early on...

And why am I not afraid of mutating? Well I dont play for streaks, if I get something like frail 3 I just die soon enough, and if I get breathe poison clouds thats just fun. And since I always go Ash berserkitis is not an issue. It was under Ash that even blurry sight was not an issue, but alas that got changed again.

[Sar]

random mutation is more likely to give you a good one

Well my take on it is that most good mutations aren't even that good. Do you really need rPois that much? And scales, they just give you a bit of AC. It helps, but even if I have a 1/10 chance of getting something annoying and awful and having to either quit or play with it I am just going to skip it. I'm not saying you should do as I say, I'm saying that even without completely awful mutations in the roulette I wouldn't play it and I assume I am not the only one.

[yesno]

it's fun to chug every !mut you see especially if you don't care that much if eventually a troll eats your stupid mutant elf or whatever

[Sandman25]

Well my take on it is that most good mutations aren't even that good. Do you really need rPois that much? And scales, they just give you a bit of AC. It helps, but even if I have a 1/10 chance of getting something annoying and awful and having to either quit or play with it I am just going to skip it. I'm not saying you should do as I say, I'm saying that even without completely awful mutations in the roulette I wouldn't play it and I assume I am not the only one.

It's crawl, it's full of annoying things like pillar dancing and going upstairs to heal. Also if you don't care about extra AC, you should not care about deformed body either.
Do you mean something like this?
Here it was D2 with 2 potions of mutations and I wanted to have some fun. I would keep playing it if it wasn't a tournament and I wasn't in a clan, I am masochist sometimes

[Sandman25]

it's fun to chug every !mut you see especially if you don't care that much if eventually a troll eats your stupid mutant elf or whatever

I played a NaHe of Ely who had conduct "quaff every !mutation and eat every mutation chunk you can create", that was fun indeed.

  Code:

A: breathe poison, constrict 1, stinger 1, icy blue scales 1, see invisible,
breathe poison, clever 2, clumsy 1, cold resistance 1, deformed body, frail 1,
low mp 1, sense surroundings 1, poison resistance, shaggy fur 1, slowness 2,
weak 1, forlorn, AC +9

[Sar]

it's not very fun IMO but whatever

[Sandman25]

it's not very fun IMO but whatever

It's like playing multiple characters at once. First you have teleportitis, then you remove it but have berserkititis instead, then poisonous cloud, frail, fire breath, forlorn, deteriorating body, magic mapping etc. No more complaints about boring middle game or Zot diving

[advil]

But I'm sorry, I'm interrupting the important work of trying to censure duvessa for the high crime of being snarky about video games on the Internet. Please, continue.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to censure duvessa who I doubt cares at all what I think. Rather, I was trying to offer some practical advice for not getting annoyed at him: I literally just think he uses words like "dangerous" or "easy" etc, especially in abbreviated-no-punctuation-duvessa mode, differently than the vast majority of native speakers of English. He is mostly only infuriating if you take him to mean the same thing by these claims that you would, so just don't do that.*

* I can't resist...cf. later Wittgenstein: "If a lion could talk, we could not understand him."

[Arrhythmia]

fr: rename crazy yiuf's corner to crazy wittgenstein's corner

[duvessa]

I literally just think he uses words like "dangerous" or "easy" etc, especially in abbreviated-no-punctuation-duvessa mode, differently than the vast majority of native speakers of English.

no, i just use them differently from the people who think everything in crawl is dangerous and nothing in crawl is easy

i'm actually a native english speaker but i'm also very lazy and often decide to be a dick for no reason

[archaeo]

FWIW advil, I wasn't really responding to you with that line.

I think it's time to close this thread, unless people really want to keep talking about teleportitis. We can open a new thread to argue about whether or not mut roulette is fun.

[bcadren]

everything in crawl is dangerous and nothing in crawl is easy

Everything in crawl is dangerous. Everything in Crawl is easy. It's all relative to the character you are playing. Unarmed hobgoblin could spell doom to your XL 1 TeEE; Dispater is a joke to a Kobold with Controlled Blink, a +9 Blowgun with a large stack of Paralysis Needles and a Quick Blade...etc. etc. A lot of what makes Felids so fucking annoying is everything is always dangerous.

[Zooty]

fr: rename crazy yiuf's corner to crazy wittgenstein's corner

So pretty much regular Wittgenstein's corner then?

[dowan]

i'm also very lazy and often decide to be a dick for no reason

Being a dick on the internet for no reason is the MiBe of interpersonal communications. Git gud scrub.

[yesno]

FWIW advil, I wasn't really responding to you with that line.

I think it's time to close this thread, unless people really want to keep talking about teleportitis. We can open a new thread to argue about whether or not mut roulette is fun.

but where will changes be questioned???

[tasonir]

Call me crazy but I'm going to go with "it's fine" too. Duv saying it doesn't put you at risk is wrong, but it's not dramatically more risk than the old teleport system. It'll probably more consistent to give you some level of risk, but it's meant to do that, it's a bad mutation. I've had it and survived it easily, because it was relatively late game and I was already really strong at that point. It'll certainly be worse on weaker characters, but so is everything else.

[KittenInMyCerealz]

And, honestly, I don't think you have any right to call out duvessa's behavior here, Aule. You seem to be getting pretty worked up about a video game, after all, whereas I'm pretty sure duvessa doesn't owe you a detailed list of reasons why he disagrees with you.

keep the circlejerking up, good work.

Ontopic: i don't feel strongly either way but this mutation makes mutation roulette worse than it needs to be.

[archaeo]

gosh, kitten, I apologize, I completely played into the infamous pro-duvessa circlejerk. I'll be sure to take that constructive criticism on board for my future posts.

[Greyr]

Crawling and circle-jerking are really my only two outlets in life. I am personally offended by this thread.

[ZipZipskins]

gosh, kitten, I apologize, I completely played into the infamous pro-duvessa circlejerk. I'll be sure to take that constructive criticism on board for my future posts.

oh man I love when someone selects a username that reads like a condescending nickname no matter how it's framed