Level 0 spells

[Sar]

tbh even if your FeWm had one of those totally not melee "level 0 spell" attacks, you probably wouldn't want to use them on anything that exists in Zot except maybe for weaker dragons because you had barely over a hundred HP and no AC at all

[Berder]

You're right about that. Once again, the sole reason I brought up the FeWn was to show how difficult things can be without melee, to refute duvessa's assertion that mages shouldn't train melee. Level 0 spells would not make the FeWn's life easier.

[Sar]

I think it's more like "things can get difficult if you have 100 HP and 36 AC as your only defences", except well, it's a cat so it has excellent stealth and good movespeed, so it's more like "things can get tedious" in the end. I guess what I'm saying is that this probably isn't the best example?

[Berder]

Well, that's a fair point, but still, mages should generally train some melee.

[Sar]

lt's cheap and doesn't hurt, yeah.

[daggaz]

1. Most casters already start with an offensive spell memorized (flame tongue, throw frost, magic dart, beastly appendages, etc..), so making cantrips is pointless redundancy.
2. "Flame Strike" is a 5th circle cleric spell. You have to be level 9 to cast it (7 if you are druid). Thats obviously not a 0th level spell.

[dowan]

Those spells cost 1 mp to cast, rather than 0 mp, and also don't scale throughout the game like UC does, so it's not really redundant, although the level 0 would have to start pretty weak for the level 1 spells to be worth using ever.